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Anonymous Coward · 2mo

And also, I agree with you about self-criticism. There is a thread on this site called V*rish*ngout (replace asterisk with a, censoring bc some ppl are wildly transphobic on there and I don’t want them to find this) where someone has been translating articles related to lolicon history, and it seems clear to me that there is some overlap between Ps and lolicons, especially around the the beginning of that movement…but it quite clearly has evolved far beyond that, lol.

I would say that at the start there was actually a clear separation and the dubious elements came mostly from publishers - I remember the reason such things stopped is because l0licons themselves demanded that they only publish drawings and so on... I think it is with the rise of hentai at once influenced by IRL pornography and yet going far beyond it in extremity and vulgarity where this uneasy field is found between "yeah I am a lolicon but also the people into this seem to be genuinely, you know..."

I'll be frank I think loliconism, the lolicon... "condition", if you will, comes down to childhood, gender, age[-caste lol, namely children and preteens], and cuteness and cuteness aggression ("moe") complexes, with countless variations of them between people, but clearly identifiable as that. Per example, I recently read a loli/older girl anthology and I was shocked that if I combed through it with a fine eye, I can put all the one shots into one of only two narrative types, almost as categorizable as folk-tale types, and they both referred to specific female complexes. Outside of this I think there is simply a sadist or better put "sovereign" element to it, to use Bataille's meaning of the words - the phantasy that one may do anything, and the appeal is the deliberate amorality of it, one that is purely phantastical, literary, imaginary.

I kinda believe - maybe controversial to admit - that when you get out of those phantasies and complexes, when you move into the field of pure pornography as one sees irl pornography, when you have that type of gooner mentality and you're looking at depictions of chιldren - real or not - the implications of looking at really depraved acts involving kιds, well, it just quickly gets very muddy, in my eyes, I see it online all the time, specially among those communities I mentioned who are as much lolicons as my fellows. But this is rarely acknowledged, in the fear that if one does, people will also go after harmless freaks who are just into shipping or exploration of complexes for purely internal reasons. Well, that may even be so, I think the normie mentality is to judge both as the same, and it is why I don't really bring it up; I don't believe anything that's just drawings or stories should ever be banned, but I can't deny it makes me uncomfortable that me and my fellows and artists and writers I like are technically part of the same "demographic", haha.

All that said, I think the reason there is little talk about it is because there is thankfully very little overlap between the two groups, which makes the silence on the matter tolerable. Women into anime little girls due to whatever complex don't wanna be around a bunch of unhinged gooners for obvious reasons, or people into the sheer moeness of it for the most part.

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