I LAUGHED SO HARD WHEN WE PROPERLY MEET ORORON and he acted like a polite child and then paimon said the thing. it's just funny bc if this character was female with either the short or loli model, even if they're described as an adult the fandom would infantilize the shit out of them, but bc it's tall male model people will treat ororon as the adult he is while acknowledging he has childlike tendencies. but god forbid a small lady who is part of a small race of nonhumans be seen as an adult despite having a far more mature mentality than ororon and heck do i even dare say citlali? citlali is prone to emotional outbursts and immature flipflopping despite being a 200yo (im assuming) elder grandma. afaik, sigewinne has never once had an emotionally immature moment, she just has whimsy and likes cuteness.

but anyway, i digress. lowkey wish ororon was at least a teen to show appearances don't always determine what they are (ie look like an adult but still a minor) but i'll take a childlike adult man

tbf the smaller ratio of male charas to female charas are bc at it's core, zzz appeals to the incels most. but the devs are not ignorant in knowing that there will be yumes and fujos playing the game, so there's lycaon (and seth is prime yaoi twink design AND pretty boy yumebait, it's just there's no male character to ship him with yet besides male mc bc he's only ever interacted with women so far, and has good chemistry with one woman in particular (jane), so idk what they were trying to do with him, but maybe when he's released, there'll be more fanservice in his trust events so the yumes and fujos can both have a good time lol)

but i agree on one thing that is refreshing there is no..... set formula on ships with zzz. no fandom-sanctioned tall w/w or m/m that you HAVE to ship or else, and that the devs will bait bc they know the formula. so in that sense, it is refreshing.

BUT at the same time, fanservice towards the player characters puts me off, bc it's not meant to be with the mc/proxy themselves (whether it's wise or belle since the trust events do not change depending on who) but the player controlling them. even with wise and belle having their own personalities, at the end of the day, they're just avatars for the player when it comes down to it and these trust events convinced me of that. it's honestly my least favourite part about gachas, so as a result, any ship including belle or wise is a notp for me (unless it's with each other)

then you got people saying the characters are all "unshippable," simply bc there is no set formula for shipping in this game as opposed to genshin, and everyone has stopped using their imaginations and creativity it seems.

tbh i was surprised when yaoi with lycaon and his ex-friend didn't hit off right away, but maybe its bc we neither know what he looks like nowadays, nor his name. but that's prime toxic yaoi right there. that said, when he does eventually make a proper appearance, i bet there's gonna be lycawise vs lycavamp friend discourse lmao