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How and why did the writing quality dip so low so fast? If this was their plan all along, how did they manage to make the first part so good and perfect?
I am not sure how to explain It and maybe It's just me but I feel like Isha doesn't really act like a child, especially in the finale. It feels like she is an adult character who magically shape-shifted into a child or like a spirit guide who took such a form.Of course we know that her reason for existence in the narrative is to be a plot device for Jinx but It almost feels like Isha herself is aware of that. Isha's intervention in the battle is supposed to parallel Powder's but I feel like Powder's lines, mannerisms, emotional responses and way of thinking were more reminiscent of those of an actual real child. She felt like a more organically written young character being concerned and reckless and wanting to help. Isha acts like she is in an edit and for some reason her resignation at the end somehow felt unnatural and not quite fitting for a kid character. I don't know If that makes sense but that's just the feeling that I got while watching the scene.
Yeah I think they made her too young, she look like 5 - definitely younger than Powder in any case and she is way too competent lol. I guess she is meant to be like. A super powered 5 yr old or something. But her abilities in act 2 definitely ruin my suspension of disbelief. In act 1 she was believably childlike- even when she protected Jinx it was uncertain and hesitant (w pulling the trigger). After a few months with Jinx she’s apparently making bombs and staging prison riots - I guess Jinx is an excellent teacher haha. Then during her sacrifice she strikes a cool pose and everything- yeah it all feels pretty unbelievable for as young as she is. Wish it meant she actually was Janna or something but I think it’s just cheesy writing.
will you continue making art for sugar pool after arcane ends?
Sorry but people like you who truly understand the potential of Caitlyn's character should write Caitvi fics. Do you recommend any?
fun fact: if you look at arcane's tv tropes page it have a voice for "incest subtext" where they describe how jinx being possessive of vi and envious of her relationship with cait comes off as romantic. do you think the incest vibes in the show are intentional?
normally i would just ignore a question like this because i dont want to deal with any idiots going HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT MATURE THEMES IN A MATURE SHOW INTENDED FOR ADULTS THERES NO WAY THE WRITERS WOULD EVER INCLUDE SUBTEXT THAT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE!!! but dying website and a show with a horrible ending that will probably make most people drop it so dying fandom too WHATEVER!!!! Anyway, it is puzzling to me that people don't think there is subtext.... in fact it's barely subtext, really. This is where the whole "homophobia" joke comes from, it's an easy way to awkwardly laugh off Jinx's strange fixation on Vi that has clear sexual undertones - I mean this is just explicit in s2, she just talks about Vi having sex unprompted lol. It's... not at all relevant!! But she's fixated on that part of her association with Cait, whom she snoops on naked which has its own connotations. Jinx can't stand that Vi's connection with Cait is romantic, she tries to self-sooth on the bridge by convincing herself that their hug is platonic. The idea of Vi having replaced her with this enforcer whom she was attracted to literally made Jinx insane, you have to ask why haha. It is plainly canon that Jinx is a siscon... sister complex doesn't always mean "i want to FUCK my sister" it's just a strong attachment and obsession with one's sister and Jinx meets this criteria. Why did they make this part of her character?? Idk I didn't write it, if the fandom was woke enough it would be great if people could actually ask. I think they were inspired by Jaime/Cersei/Brienne when writing Vi/Jinx/Caitlyn and so the undertones are probably partially due to that, they have always mentioned GoT as one of their main inspirations when writing this show. Anyway, it's still present in s2 (with the sex comment), but to me this tone doesn't feel as intense as it was in s1. I'm interested if Jinx's jealousy of Caitlyn has just dropped off... I hope not, would like to see that plot threat more tidily wrapped up.
Also I think Christian said that Caitlyn kisses Vi as a reward for her choosing her over Jinx so lol. It's just explicitly a love triangle, what they have going. But the fandom will never acknowledge it and just make homophobia jokes bc if you read the subtext it means you wanna go hop in bed with your family or something something.
You know what? I hate most about this series overall, how they keep characters apart to prolong the angst without any payoff. They kept by and jinx apart for all these years and before they met again they intentionally set up all these things to ensure they stay away. But in season 2 this was glaringly obvious. They completely put echo away then mel was put away as well. What did Jace even do this season? They promptly put Victor and Jace apart and then fridged Jace for one year or however long the timescape was. Like the sisters were away most of the series they split apart Caitlin and VI, however long the time skip was. No character is allowed to be with their person for longer than a week I think which is just ridiculous. Time skip after time skip after time skip. People are saying there is another time skip between act 2 and act 3. They really should have given us more fights between violet and Jinx than violet and Caitlin and I can't believe they robbed us of a fight between Jinx and Caitlin.
they didn't know how to juggle all their characters and really i think they went too grand. Which is always the downfall of a story like this. S1 was good because it was small, a story of two cities and two sisters. now it's uhh... noxus war... arcane multi-dimensional stuff... etc. Blegh. I thought the drama of s2 would be whether or not Jinx and Vi could come to terms with each other or if they would just repeat the cycle of violence like Silco and Vander. But the story rhythm of s1 is lost... unrelated plots like whatevers going on with the blackrose stuff... retreading things with warwick.... blegh. show ended in s1, this is all just a very bad promotion for skins and other league series.
People are calling Caitlin a womanizer? Is there enough evidence in the show itself for you to feel the same?
its feels a little inconsistent as far as her writing how nervous and shy she was when Vi came onto her and how quickly she jumps into bed with a subordinate. Maddie being a rebound tells me that Caitlyn has probably had a few women in her life before Vi, though nothing serious. I think Vi is the first time she's felt in love. Obviously, dating Maddie would be uh... what's the word... controversial? Not really something allowed? Ambessa comments on it in a negative way. Maddie is her subordinate, she's her boss, it is morally questionable - but this is all true for Vi to, to a more extreme degree really with how much power she has over Vi. It's yet to be seen if she's a womanizer, I guess if she starts two timing getting with Vi again and not breaking up with Maddie first you could call her that. Caitlyn is obviously a pretty selfish person, she'll use people for her own pleasure/coping and not think much about it.
"Is that what Caitlyn will become?" now, i wouldn't mind this lmao. seriously tho, i think they came up with this connection just to explain further why vander abandoned his revolution, and for the fun of a parallel. vi and jinx also parallel jayce and viktor/heimerdinger and singed in a way. #nootice how the character with the most radical stance and/or the zaunite character (jinx/silco/viktor/singed) is the one who is portrayed in the wrong in these dual conflicts
it was very unnecessary... not being able to handle the violence and loss of war when you see it reflected in a childs eyes was clear and obvious and enough. Adding some kind of lost love to is cheapens it greatly. It's very sad how s2 isn't just bad on its own but makes s1 worse as well, very legend of korra. And yeah, as usual...
Any more thoughts on Caitjinx ?
hatesex. mommydom. only path to happiness for vi. etc. etc. They have a lot in common really, tho I mean I think Jinx would always sort of resent her for her wealth and status. I think Cait probably gives Jinx a bit of an inferiority complex, like she's a version of her that's better. But there's an allure there too, maybe they're both a little narcissistic. We've already seen that Cait likes small young looking girls with Maddie lol so she'd definitely find Jinx attractive under a different context imo... Jinx would give Caitlyn brat tamer feelings. Vi does this for her too, but Jinx is more of a challenge...
I donno about you but jinx would never end it all while her sister is going to cozying up with that rich unhinged mongoose. Baby girl is too petty. I hate that the isha thing has made the writers shift jinx’s main focus: Vi.
Yeah, even when she had Isha she was still obsessed with Vi. I mentioned already that I don't think she would attempt when she finally has Vi back. Something will probably happen between them. If they make her not care that Vi is still there for her I'll be annoyed. But another side of that is that Isha might be proof to her that she dooms the people that love her, so she might want to take herself out before she has to see Vi die... that doesn't seem unlikely tbh. The thing is we get this line from Vi in the preview "if you come with us [...] we use all that explosive potential of yours for good maybe we can rewrite your story" I wonder the context of this, obviously Vi is still around Jinx trying to comfort her sister but she also seems to be encouraging her to join a war effort and when she says "explosive potential" it makes me wonder is Jinx doing stunts as a way to cope with Isha's death? Maybe she lost it a little? Maybe Isha's death isn't the thing that pushes her to suicide, maybe something else happens.
i think felicia is meant to be cait. not only they look similar, but it almost seems like they came up with this thing just to have a ji/vinx/cait parallel. obviously if they're implying silco fancied felicia too it kinda falls apart, but you could read it as him chasing vander through her, i guess lmao. at least it's fueling my mommycon vi hc
I love caitvijinx so if they imply Jinx has a thing for Cait I'm all for it ahaha. But yeah Caitlyn is the only person she could be, but she doesn't match up at all atm. And we don't even really know who Felicia was to them... obviously she was a freedom fighter too but she was simply supporting them in their idea of Zaun it didn't seem like she was a founder. So what was she to them really? A mutual friend they were both banging?? Is that what Caitlyn will become??? haha. i really don't get it.
How much do you think vi knows about hextech and Chemtech?
the whole vander/silco/felicia thing is pretty dumb and bad characterization-wise, but i've always found it pretty curious that vi and jinx look like vander and silco respectively. do you think they're implying /that/? (atp they should make it even more messy and reveal vander and silco are bio brothers. at least we have another incest ship lmao)
They're implying they carry their roles in the narrative, but funny enough Vi doesn't really anymore? Like she's similar to Vander by working with Pilties, but Vander did so in a keeping the peace way while Vi is actively harming Zaun so it's not very similar... I also wonder who Felicia is meant to be in these narrative parallels because the only option for that seems to be Cait haha. It's weird. I mean if these were good writers still there would probably be some obvious narrative parallels and ripples but I think it's just nonsense noise they didn't think hard enough about atp...
Do you think Vi's ending is a happy one. Forget about how the writers will portray it. If violet was a real person, do you think in her mind she would be happy with the way her life turned out to be?
I want to say no, she is estranged from her family and home and among people who hate her. But then I’m not sure what Vi wants as a character. Sometimes family is the most important thing, sometimes it’s pussy lol. Maybe Vi has no real priorities and is just looking for someone to give her loyalty to whether that be her sister or a girlfriend, maybe she doesn’t really care about her life beyond getting attention from that designated person. Jinx is like that too, after all. But Vi does seem to care about… class issues and such, maybe it was only because it personally affected her though. Idk, it’s hard to figure out because her writing is so inconsistent now.
Would s1 Vi be happy staying a cop being a sugar mommy’s pet in Piltover? I don’t think so…
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