I'm hyperfocusing on the Shiningale scenes but imagine being Talulah and you're stuck with Nine who keeps you handcuffed and submissive and wants to use you for your repentance but cares enough to not want you to die under the guise of "you haven't been judged yet" and your sister hasn't come to see you or talk to you and suddenly this weirdo named Eblana is spewing nonsense believing she can win you over and thinks she won your verbal debate (she didn't)
Being Talulah is suffering