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i’ve read some of golden kamuy but haven’t seen the anime. is it bad? too similar to the manga or too different?
the animation is just not that great at the start. the first episode has some infamous cgi effects that put people off from watching the story. it also cuts a few good arcs and some story beats (some of the protagonist's backstory stuff, weirdly).
THIS BEING SAID, i started with the anime, watched 3 seasons of it and HAD A BLAST then shifted to the manga. and if you've got a strong will and power through the cgi in the first episode, it gets you hooked in the story very easily and it IS worth it. it also gets better with every season. i would say season 3 is easily the best in terms of direction. excellent voice actors too.
thing is, its a decent adaptation but it's not spectacular, and animes are what tend to make stories blow up in the west. think dungeon meshi. golden kamuy has a troubled production because of the death of a director (iirc), season 4 suffered from pacing issues as a result, etc. its just not the best it could be. but it's still a fun time and good introduction into the story. i hope you give it a try or at least keep reading!
kinda weird to see people applaud the leakers for their translations. i don’t think any of the major leakers speak/read japanese fluently, so giving them credit for translations is weak sauce.
seeing them get undue praise (and any praise is undue) is funny as hell. afaik none of the twitter leakers translate their own stuff, each of them got a translator who does that work (some are better than others). i remember when myth didn't have one and he just posted the leaks raw; his interpretations of stuff were laughable.
What do you think about this whole idea of getting a part 2 focused on the confict with the main clans?
On paper it sound interesting but what’s with these fantasies about Yuta, Yuji and Megumi being the heads of these clans?!?!
The Zenin clan is gone. Yuta is not a Gojo, neither is Yuji really a Kamo and that clan already has a head?!
Like these kids have no real connections to these clans. I always wanted to know more about the clans because I find the concept intersting and I loved Maki’s arc, but I wanted it to be through established characters that are actually part of them not kids who didn’t even know what jujutsu was 2 years ago…
I apologize for taking a bit to respond this, in the end I ended up waiting yet another chapter to hold off on my veredict. If there is a part 2 the clan prominence is something that I am doubtful of. The Zenins were wiped, so there's nothing for either Maki or Megumi to lead. The Kamo and Gojo clans are the only ones around, but it'd be WEIRD as hell for random Gojo members to suddenly become prominent since it's been constantly reiterated that for all intents and purposes Satoru is the only one with any significant power. That leaves us with the Kamo clan which too has been significantly weakened, and we only have Noritoshi as the one named member - who decided to leave to be with his mom but could always come back I suppose (especially since Choso is dead). I feel like all in all, 269 started a plotline and ended it swiftly all within one chapter.
When Gojo died I was very sad and thought they way it was handled was bad. But I read some analysis and I was convinced otherwise. Jjk is a tragedy they told me. Gojo’s end was perfect because jjk is a sad story. It sucks that Gojo died young, but so did Nobara. It sucks that he thought dying like this instead of old age was good but Higuruma thought he deserved to die too. Look at poor Yuta, stuck in his teacher’s body. They said many other characters were going to die too because Jjk is a story about death.
And know we all know that was some bullshit. All these characters are alieve and well and Yuta faced 0 consequences for what happened.
Apparently Jjk is a tragedy only for Gojo.
😔 anon omg you legit made me a little sad... I agree that people are a bit too harsh on their handling of Gojo's character, and I agree that a lot of the common arguments now fall rather flat, tonally speaking. I choose to wait til the end of the story to make my final judgements, but it's true that things are shaping up to be more on the light side than initially believed (though some 269 developments feel very shady--). I think that's one of the main reasons why a lot of people feel very strongly about Gojo staying dead. They don't like the idea of the story being a lot lighter than initially conceived. Disney Kaisen and what not. It's a legitimate concern for them (even saw people saying they will never speak about JJK again if Gojo comes back). The TL for the last two chapters is gonna be unbearable any which way, that's for sure; it pretty much was for this latest drop.
well we’ve seen how gojo died and the airport scene so idk how much clearer his death can be. but i think yuji saying he got to talk to gojo while the other two got letters means gojo probably prepared him for a situation in case he died and spoke to him as such and from his expression he seemed content with that. so idk what else could gege add to this to make gojo’s death significant? because just tracing the consequences of his death is very clear that it was very significant, without his death yuji wouldn’t have been the one to reach out to megumi and give him a reason to live and there so many other ways in which his death meant a development for the other characters. and from the way the rest spoke about him i really doubt we will see them speaking out their grief or whatever because again gege isn’t the type to spell things out for us. plus your examples are from people who meant something to each other and unfortunately none of the characters left except shoko were close to gojo. so i’ll be cool if some kind of acknowledgment happens but i don’t think it will be the heavy-handed tearful scene lots of people are expecting.
that's perfectly fair if that is how you feel. i'm most interested in seeing the acknowledgements from characters like yuuji, yuta and shoko like i said, and everyone else comes secondary or even third. and if gojo's conversation is directly tied to preparing yuuji for the possibility of his death then that actually works perfectly well too, that's why i brought it up as a something to look forward to. if that's the case then maybe his last words to yuuji will become relevant in his conversation to the other characters. i don't think it'll be a heavy handed scene either, but my argument is that there will be something, however small (even just a page, or half of one). and if there isn't, then i will feel like something is missing.
saying the source material doesn’t matter and the author doesn’t know what he’s doing is wild 😭 what in the jjktok is this
what i meant is that it took yuji a long time to mention nanami since shibuya, because as i was following the manga since then i remember thinking it was odd he didn’t mention him at all immediately after that arc but of course it happened later on, i wasn’t saying nanami didn’t mean anything to yuji because of that. and this is why i disagree with gojo needing a “conclusion” because gege isn’t the type to put things and relationships explicitly on the page, to spoonfeed the audience or spell things out for us instead of letting us infer what’s going on from pieces of dialogue or a couple of panels. jjk has always been vague in many aspects and i honestly prefer that over heavy-handed, corny storytelling like the characters getting together to mourn the big character who saved them… like just imagining that gives me endgame vibes when tony stark dies idk. it just doesn’t fit with jjk’s tone at all imo, especially because we’ve already seen how the story handles and acknowledges deaths of other characters, it would be really out of place imo.
i think you and i view the word "mourn" in a very different way. in the specific context of jjk, when i say mourn, as i mentioned, i dont mean melodrama, but just a sense of awareness. a huge part of the jujutsu world has died, and i dont want an teary-eyed eulogy, but just for them to recognize that that's what happened. between the gritty nothingness and the "corny, heavy handed" mcu-esque sentimentality is where my opinion lies.
i also politely disagree on your perspective on gege, but for a specific thing only. yeah, he mostly handles relationships with subtely, but when it comes to character deaths, he's always very straightforward and clear. when a character dies, their death is always pointed out. when a character dies, we always see how the characters closest to them feel. this was the case for nanami, choso, yaga, mai, junpei, kechizu, eso, haibara, MECHAMARU, yuki (though mostly choso's reaction; it's a shame we did not get anything from todo, but todo put on the bus for the bulk of the story), etc. gege always provides in terms of reactions to characters' deaths, even if it's only an acknowledgement. it just so happens that a lot of characters have very few connections, and so we only specifically see the reactions he considers relevant, and then he moves on. i used to think like you did in regards to how little characters mourned, but after nobara's comeback, i realized it was mostly treating her character as dead what clouded my perspective. once jjk dies, i plan to go over the topic of how gege handles character deaths in a very detailed way and maybe you'll come around to see what i mean.
as for nanami i think that's just the nature of gege's storytelling with most things. he's extremely economical. he keeps the writing focused and tight on the present (this is why the latest chapter feels so meandering, in my opinion). keep in mind culling games wasn't even really a very yuuji-heavy arc, so his relative presence in the story wasn't that grand. when he was present, he was focused other things, fitting for his mentality of being a cog and focused on his goals in order to stay alive. once the time for mentioning nanami came, it was meaningful.
Anon, if you still consider the manga a good source material for characterization then I feel sorry for you because Gege clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing anymore. I don’t blame anyone for ignoring canon and going with whatever they want because the manga is not very good at this point. I mean everyone is dead so what is there to hold on to anymore.
the thing is, i'm a fan of analyzing the story for what it is and trying to see what gege's intentions are. anon doesnt sound like he's been around on my page for long; they probably saw my glib gojo tweets and called it a day and that's their prerogative. but i've always been outspoken about the things i like about gege's writing and the things i dislike and trying to uproot the cause of both my enjoyment and my dislike in order to see where he, as an author, comes from. besides unequivocal yuuji and nanami glazing that's the daily bread and butter of this account.
hate that ur putting me on the position to defend this man 💀 but i think gege has done well creating these characters for the most part, and there's a reason why people love them. could it be that a lot of ppl love them because of things they made up in their heads? .... probably. that's also their prerogative. does gege sometimes make choices that leave me scratching my head? definitely - more than once. and i pick them apart (or i complain), in order to process them, and sometimes i still dislike them and sometimes i get around to see gege's viewpoint. i can truly only speak for myself. in the end i just try to hold a nuanced perspective.
as for the story itself, i think gege is definitely doing questionable stuff, but i will hold off my judgement until the very last chapter. i will lend him that grace, but nobody else is required to do that if they don't want to.
none of the characters were ever the type to “mourn” anyone tho, yuji only mentioned nanami once and several chapters after he died even though nanami had a bigger influence on him than gojo and we saw he was pretty calm after his grandpa died. and i really doubt megumi would mourn him and nobara only knew gojo for a few months. i can see shoko mourning in her own way but having a breakdown or whatever would be ooc. and i’m ignorant on this but do japanese people have mourning ceremonies besides the cremation? wouldn’t that be left to the closest relatives like yuji with his grandpa? i feel like we’re getting too caught in our love for gojo and forget that within the story gojo wasn’t really close to anyone aside from maybe shoko because that was the tragedy of his character after all
yuji mentioned nanami a fair amount in my opinion 😁 and in fact most of the times he showed up (outside of disembodied "interviews" or the gojo flashback) it was due to yuji remembering something nanami told him (such as chapter 231). higuruma's moment in chapter 247 drew a direct parallel to nanami's death and also their conversations (nanami acknowledging yuuji as a jujutsu sorcerer and thus giving him the motivation to keep going). 256 reinforces nanami's importance to yuuji since nanami taught him the value of staying alive. i could keep going on this... it was handled well. of all deaths, nanami is the one that was handled the best and it was yuuji's death to make peace with. i'm satisfied.
the issue with gege is that the story is very compressed and a lot of his relationships hinge on very specific interactions and very subtle subtext and cues. the story happens during a very short time and you NEED to understand that every single conversation, every glance and every word and every silence, matters. the story doesnt stop to tell you "yuuji is heartbroken that nanami died and continues to remember him" - you SAW him cry and fall down and then need a motivational speech to keep going (and prove nanami he was capable of still going). nobara's injury was also important and the last straw for his psyche, but in the end what gets him back up is needing to carry nanami's share of the suffering. and he does it well and every subsequent mention or reference is meant to cement this.
that aside, one of the central themes of the story is a proper death and what that means. closeness isn't a necessary factor. yuuji goes out of his way to pray for a random stranger; a life is still a life and a death is still a death. he still clearly remembers junpei and what his death taught him. mourning plays a role in a subtle but important way and yuuji is the main one who carries it, but others do mourn as well. i'm of the opinion, for example and just to illustrate my point, that gojo's reaction to nanami's death was perfectly acceptable. nanami was mourned by different characters to very appropiate extents and in ways that felt fitting for their characters and their natures.
re: gojo, others may want a grand ceremony and for every single character to cry because gojo died, but i just want a conclusion. i want for them to just acknowledge that gojo basically sacrificed himself on their behalf and maybe think on it seriously for a moment before moving on with the rest of the story. gojo was a very pivotal person in their society... a larger than life figure as a teacher, clean head, strongest sorcerer, etc - so i expect them to be at least like :/ damn. if nothing else. jujutsu society is gonna be fundamentally different without his presence and that cannot be glossed over. (spoilers for 269) choso was meaningful to yuuji first and foremost (and only, really), and yet ino went out of his way to lament his death, even though choso was a stranger to him. as a fan of choso, that satisfies me.
out of the students, my expectations fall on yuuji (and remember how we don't know what his last conversation with gojo was) and yuta, chiefly; megumi and nobara i'm less keen on, but they're still his students; shoko is a separate case... she hasn't shown up and i won't really make any definitive judgements on her reaction. she was pretty rattled during the fight itself, i don't know how she will be afterwards, and i look forward to something interesting coming out of it (but i don't hold out too much hope). not a breakdown, but definitely some reflection on her status as the last standing member of her high school friend group.
all in all, i just want closure. not melodrama, just stuff that feels natural to the characters in question. and to really give gojo's character a sense of finality.
damn why is it so controversial to want gojo to come back why does everything have to be so serious and correct bro let us have our hcs in peace the manga is shit anyway
i, personally would prefer if he lived but if he has to stay dead then i hope characters mourn him both for their sake and ours. that's literally the gist of my position. i don't know how that is controversial but it is, somehow. do i make gojo comeback tweets? yeah because i find it fun, it's facetious on my part. people make junpei comeback tweets 💀 its up to others whether to start tweaking about them. it's not like they're gonna stop.
not reading all that but good for you or sorry that happened learn to separate your headcanons from the story, spend more time rereading the manga than ao3 you clearly need it <3
i’m so sorry to tell you that your feelings don’t matter when it comes to storytelling… yeah i’d love it if gojo came back too but that would just be my feeling, what does that have to do with the narrative? whatever happy ending people want for him is just a headcanon. yes i did read that chapter and one take by nanami doesn’t mean that it’s his whole personality duh, gojo is a complex character who loved fighting and could be sadistic, the other characters were literally wondering if he had forgotten about megumi during the fight because he was that into it + the way gege drew him and sukuna like they were on a high the entire time is intentional. i don’t understand this need to flatten out characters because it goes against your personal headcanons or dadjo or whatever when gojo was always an isolated character who enjoyed fighting alone because he got off on it and his powers (are we forgetting he apologized to riko after he came back from the death because he was on such a high from achieving his ultimate powers?) that doesn’t mean he was a bad person or that he didn’t care about his students, no idea why those traits can only be mutually exclusive.
so while he can find satisfaction in this, i cannot. good for him, but it's fundamentally tragic.
well yeah his whole story is tragic because he would never be able to realize his ideals without major sacrifice. he was never going to feel understood unless somebody stronger than him came along and that would simultaneously mean his defeat too. and yeah him voicing his feelings to geto and his friends giving their takes on some aspects of his personality was the closest he ever got to feeling understood and seen by others, and he finally got to tell geto what he felt, breaching the barrier between them. that’s a pretty decent closure for someone whose whole theme was isolation.
so yeah i get being upset about his death but that doesn’t mean it’s bad writing. i feel like it’s pretty common now to call everything people don’t like in a story “bad writing”, because it’s easier than sitting down and thinking what the author was trying to say and trying to reconcile it with your headcanons of how you wanted the story to go. also “this is what should happen” is nonsense because stories don’t always work “logically”, it all depends on whether it makes sense in the story and whether it fits within the characters’ narrative, and gojo’s conclusion makes sense for his character, not the one you wrote in your heads for your fanfiction 🤷♀️
"your feelings don't matter when it comes to storytelling" is such a nothingburger thing to say 💀 this is just my page where i express my thoughts about a fictional story the way i have about a dozen others. my feelings inform the way i talk about it and will continue to do so. i've already told you that i see worth in gojo living, but if gojo stays dead then that's fine and how his death is handled is what matters to me. if it's not handled in a way that i enjoy then that's it? 💀 i just won't enjoy it. and i could change my mind a week after jjk ends or 20 years or not at all and it's utterly inconsequential. again i already said this so i don't know what you're going on about here.
why are you talking to me about dadjo and all this nonsense when i did not bring it up nor i ever do in a serious context😭 i feel like you're arguing with someone else or the "gojo stan collective" and you're taking it out on me, who is not even a hardcore gojo stan. i like gojo's relationship with his students but he's their teacher and that's all he's shown to be?
everything else you say... again... i'm not sure why you're bringing it up. i never once claimed gojo to be a paragon of justice and goodness. i always argue for his duality and ambivalence and i did so in my reply to you.
i don't understand what would be the point of bringing gojo back at this point? it feels like gege said already everything he wanted to say with his character. he fought and was defeated by someone much stronger than him (which is how he wanted to go out) and finally got to voice out his feelings of alienation and feel understood by geto and his other friends (which is something that always pained him). so what else left is there to say? like do yall want him to do a cameo like a mcu character? and for what? because you can't let go of your fanfiction headcanons? i really don't see the point of bringing him back when gege gave him a well-rounded fight and goodbye by letting him meet the most important people in his life in the end, which is something he hasn't done for the other characters. so crying about 'bad writing' because he's dead has me scratching my head ngl.
he fought and was defeated by someone much stronger than him (which is how he wanted to go out)
how he wanted to go out doesn't necessarily matter to me. higuruma wanted to go out and die because this was "his role in life" and his "way to atone for his sins" and yet he lived, because this was clearly the wrong perspective. consider the way nanami immediately calls out this tendency of gojo's... the way gojo looks at the world is not normal, it's dated, it's forged by the way he was raised and the way he was raised was informed by his power. gojo never stood a chance to view things differently because he was indoctrinated to want the things he wanted. he could've been a lot worse, yeah... but he also could've been a lot better. so while he can find satisfaction in this, i cannot. good for him, but it's fundamentally tragic.
*finally got to voice out his feelings of alienation and feel understood by geto and his other friends (which is something that always pained him). *
did you read the chapter 236 properly? they had a partially correct perspective on his character. "after all, you never cared about protecting anyone or keeping sorcery going; you just got a kick out of it" (paraphrasing). nanami said this and both haibara and geto agreed and yet he clearly did not do it just for the love of his own strength or for fun. this was shown to us. he gave up his life for his students. did he love fighting sukuna? yes, i'm sure. but gojo is no goku. i find it hard to imagine that gojo would have thrown everyone under the bus just for the chance to fight someone strong. had there been another chonce for the students to have a shot at living, i think he would have taken it. but there wasn't and so he fought and he loved it; and simultaneously, did his best to keep morale high for his anxious students throughout. these motivations act in conjunction to each other and overlap; one doesn't overpower the other.
nanami's words were important because they needed to be said, because gojo's self-concept had to be challenged and questioned in a way that seldom did in life, but they are nanami's perspective and it's an incomplete one.
anyway, i could go on and on about 236. read this treat by oomf https://x.com/still_sleepless/status/1834106438571975066
so what else left is there to say? like do yall want him to do a cameo like a mcu character? and for what? because you can't let go of your fanfiction headcanons?
get the fuck over yourself, sincerely. i won't entertain these comments. if you want to have a discussion with me, do it without this twitter-brained inflammatory speak.
i really don't see the point of bringing him back when gege gave him a well-rounded fight and goodbye by letting him meet the most important people in his life in the end, which is something he hasn't done for the other characters. so crying about 'bad writing' because he's dead has me scratching my head ngl.
i don't care how gojo stans argue for his comeback. i see some posts, read a couple and ignore most of them; i agree on some things they say and not in others. i can only speak for myself and say i believe there's merit in gojo coming back because of the value in his narrative as someone who could move on from his toxic philosophy (and it is a toxic one) in regards to his powers and the way his self-worth was intrinsically tied to them. like i always say, my main concern is the the message. i believed nobara dying carried out no interesting message for the readers, and was proven correct not because of obscure theories i crafted but simply because at the end of the day jjk is a story and behaves like a story first and foremost. right now there's a message i would prefer for gojo that would tie well to the larger themes of jjk. if this doesn't occur, then i will examine his character and his message accordingly, but for now the story is not over and there's still room for speculation.
if gojo's dead, then that's alright. give him a proper conclusion (not for him, but for the other characters, and especially, for the readers - this is important, because need i remind you, jjk is a story) and you'll not hear me complain. as it stands, a lot of the grievances and theory-crafting from fans seem to stem from the lack of emotional finality and lack of acknowledgement of his death (much like it happened with nobara, come to think of it 🥸), and i'm afraid that unless gege bothers with the pathos they shall continue.
have a nice day
Could Gojo’s ability follow the principle of energy conservation, where instead of destroying cursed energy, he transforms it into another form (positive energy) while maintaining the total energy balance?
When a sorcerer uses cursed energy it doesn't exist in a vacuum, it interacts with other forms of energy. It becomes the kinetic energy of their strikes, the thermal energy, the light energy, and other elements as a result of the manifestation of their techniques. That's why CTs are likened to appliances and cursed energy is likened to electricity; because it's meant to be treated as another kind of energy on a comparable level.
In other words, cursed energy is not ever "destroyed"; it becomes other forms of energy. This is why Kenjaku posed the possibility of using it as an energy source. Presumably cursed energy can be turned into electricity.
In regards to Gojo, I think Gojo's efficiency works like this: cursed energy expenditure is so marginal that his total cursed energy reserves aren't significantly diminished due to usage of his CT; and presumably, he can replenish himself relatively quickly as well.
Now, in regards to your question specifically, keeping these things in mind, I think RCT in general follows the principle of energy conservation regardless of whether it's Gojo using it or someone else. The principle of positive cursed energy is mathematical, where you multiply (inherently negative) cursed energy with itself to make it positive. This is a little nebulous because we do not know the exact formula for it, how much CE is on both sides of the equation, etc, just the mere principle. But it's still ultimately equivalent. If we want to multiply 2 CE by itself it would be something like:
(-10) * (-10) = (+) 100
Say this is what Gojo uses to make Red. Red is more destructive than Blue, presumably because this process of conversion is in of itself taxing. RCT in general is more taxing than regular usage of CE and that's because the conversion process isn't easy.
Still, it maintains the total energy balance inherently.
I'll answer your other question (I think it's the same anon?) here.
Could the rct be compared to symmetry in physics, where every force or particle has an opposite? Is Gojo manipulating the balance between cursed energy and its positive counterpart to reverse its effects?
It would be possible if positive cursed energy could be producted on its own, without the dependency on regular cursed energy. Like for example, if it could be produced from positive emotions. This doesn't seem to be the case. +CE seems to rely entirely on CE conversion and it doesn't exist independently, leading me to believe it's more Gege playing with mathematics (the way he does with Black Flash) than with Physics.
I don't quite understand the second question in this part, but hopefully the first answer clarifies how RCT is meant to function. Physics and math aren't my expertise, I apologize! I am the M in STEM through and through.
CALIBRE is truly one of the best fics I have come across and I think it deserves more love! Is it okay if I draw some scenes from each chapter? :3 Thank you for saving the nanago tag anddddd if you do add smut, please make it 75. if not, then ignore this 😭 your writing is beautiful I will probably never shut up about this fic
You are very kind omg... yes of course you can draw whatever you'd like for it! I'd be honored really and would cherish it. Thank you so much for this message 💖I'm here if you ever wanna talk about the fic with me
If the rating changes (probably will at one point anyway, if I go about depicting violence to the extent I plan to; it's a matter of when) then I'm definitely leaning toward 75 for a variety of reasons. I'll cross this bridge when I get to it though
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