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Any good collections of dolphins fucking people?
Any good collections of dolphin dick pics?
But also, all that evidence could easily be brushed off because Heika has ran at least one decoy account in the zoo community.
Random question, but how do we know that anti bigot Heika isn't a zoophile himself? It seems like he knows and has an extensive amount of detail about way too many things about us for him to not be a zoophile, or at least be stalking zoos on an alt account or two... still
In short, we don't. I don't think I'd be surprised if it came out that they're a self hating zoo because of how much time they spend trying to hide us. It's also not uncommon for someone that's into something society finds reprehensible to go extremely hard against it in an effort to prove they aren't that thing.
Awhile back, someone mentioned evidence that they a zoophile. I don't know the person who posted about it well, so I don't feel I can really comment on it. But it's certainly plausible.
What makes attraction to children problematic but attraction to animals unproblematic? Both parties cannot report abuse.
I don't think attraction to children is problematic. An attraction is just an attraction and the person with the attraction doesn't choose it.
You probably meant to ask about acting on the attraction, in which case there's a big difference. Human children are not sexually developed and have no desire for sex unless an adult human convinces them they do. Adult non-humans ARE sexually developed and DO have their own sexual desires. While it is possible to force a non-human into sex, it's also possible for them to want sex themselves. Naturally it is completely wrong to force anyone into sex when they don't want it, including non-humans.
It has nothing to do with ability to report abuse, in fact, human children are very capable of reporting abuse if they have a basic sexual education. There is data that shows this. What matters is the potential for harm, and all children are demonstrably harmed by sexual activity with adults, physically, mentally, and emotionally. While it is possible for a non-human to be harmed with sexual activity with a human, the harm they typically experience also accompany other kinds of abuse. That's why so many of the studies saying sex between humans and non-humans is abuse, because they look at abusers who also happen to have had sex with their victims, they don't even look for non abusive sexual relationships.
Do you think children are inferior to adults and thus incapable of participating in sexual activity with them in a safe way, and if so, do you believe that also necessarily renders pedophilic attractions problematic?
I'm not sure why I'm being asked about children, I've never made any comments relating to them, but I don't believe they're inferior, simply underdeveloped. I don't necessarily agree that there's a set age where they are developed enough for sexual activity, but I can't think of any other way to really delineate when it's okay. This does mean I think safe sexual interactions with them are impossible. This, however, doesn't make the attraction itself problematic. An attraction can only be harmful if acted on. I know that the attraction can not be changed. Anyone attracted to children should have access to and get any help they need to avoid acting on it and actually harming children.
So, what can you tell me about dolphins? What it is what attracts you to them? Personally orcas are majestic and hypnotic to me
the more reasonable anti-zoos i've seen from being in the community for years (of which, there are reasonable ones that have cropped up recently!) just have us blocked or on blocklists and forget about us, lol
This is probably true, and I'm definitely new to the conversation in general, even if I don't want to be involved in a lot of it.
It's likely that previous reasonable anti-zoos came to the conclusion that we also have valid points, but they still can't reconcile their opinions with what we have to say. This could lead to them just hiding our existence from view rather than really challenging their own view.
Okay, I read the whole thread and it seems like they're being taken out of context when you only point to the idea of the slope. What they seem to be saying isn't that all zoophiles will torture animals, but choosing comfort over trying to actually work to our goals protects those who do. They even say that they're still a zoo, do you think they believe they're going to abuse animals? Absolutely not.
The thread reads as someone frustrated with those focusing only on a comforting acceptance and treating anyone truly fighting for animals as detrimental. You can't simply take a single part of the thread and conclude that zoophilia always leads to zoosadism when the author clearly doesn't believe that.
Do I want acceptance for my attraction? Absolutely, but that's not the fight. The fight is understanding WHY people don't like my attraction and changing that. Most of the hate comes from the idea that non-human animals are inherently inferior and we're disgusting for being attracted to them because of it. Acceptance won't come until we can change minds on that.
Akela said it. https://retrospring.net/@TroiaDelfino/a/112532015603968948
What if your bias against anti-zoos doesn't let you see the good arguments they're making? You're just as close-minded as you think they are, Troia
I've seen arguments that appear good, but as soon as they are questioned in any way the person making them devolves into insults and hate. In other words, the person making the argument doesn't actually understand it enough to back it up. I, personally, have yet to have any anti-zoo approach me in good faith, it has always been malicious. Of course, I haven't really been around very long, and I don't really like debating this stuff, so it's possible the more reasonable people choose to respect me and not come to me. What I have had, is studies I've shared dismissed or ignored. If the only way an argument can stand is to hide contrary evidence, it's not a good argument.
At the end of the day, my existence is a fact. I'm sexually attracted to animals and that is no more mutable than same sex attractions. The question that needs to be asked, and antis often think they have an answer to, is whether or not it is possible to have loving sexual relationships with animals. Most studies that say it's not never ever tried to look for them and just focused on readily available data, which is generally police reports. Naturally that data is going to say it's not possible, but there are so many of us out there with happy, loving, sexual companions that are clearly not accounted for. I've long said that more research is needed, and stand by that, but they need to put in effort to find more data.
Unpopular opinion but zoophilia is just a slippery slope to zoosadism
It's really not, they're not the same thing at all. You even use the phrase "slippery slope" which is a type of logical fallacy. What you're saying is, "you're sexually attracted to animals, so clearly you're going to want to torture them." The sillyness of the argument is obvious if you simply change the group, "you're sexually attracted to people of the opposite sex, so clearly you're going to want to torture them."
I think beliefs like this typically stem from 1 of 2 places: their own desire to torture and inflict pain or, more commonly, a misrepresentation of zoophilia with the more visible zoosadism. It makes sense that most exposure to non-human attraction comes from the horrors of zoosadism, but that doesn't mean all zoophiles are that kind of monster. If that's what guides your opinion, I suggest you to learn more about us and see that so many of us have no desire to hurt animals in any way. If your opinion comes from your own sadistic desires, I urge you to seek professional help to manage those thoughts.
Do you ever get paranoid that someone's watching?
Are there any anti-zoos out there that you feel like, despite your differences, do a good job explaining their viewpoint? Like an anti-zoo version of fillthy?
Not that I'm aware of. I don't doubt the possibility, but that would require them to not only actually understand their own arguements, but ours as well. I have never seen any anti-zoo say anything that demonstrates they DO understand our arguments. In fact, from what I've seen, they often don't actually understand their own position and arguments. Anti-zoos tend to only be anti-zoo because it's considered the "socially correct" position.
i think you'll be safe if you just say the species honestly, no one's trying to go after you right now
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