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Hi breads!!! How i missed you two and your fics 🥹🥹
Also i'm loving Lee Minho vs. The Love of His Life! It's soooo good and i caught me giggling throughout ALL the chapters posted, their dynamic is so cute and funny 😭😭!! And I want to ask you if there's going to have any (special or not) chapter with Chan's pov? I really really want to know his perspective when he met Minho.. if there's none, that's okay! I'm just so excited to read their relationship happening 🩷🩷🩷 love you breads!!!
Hi hello💖 Thank you for enjoying Lmh vs. Love!! It's certainly more light than what we've usually done, if you look away from certain things in the story😅 We tried to make it a bit more fun and silly so while it deals with some heavy topics, it's still not too overwhelming (like utww and ftn can be). As for a POV change, maybe, but we'll try to wrap up the story before we try to delve into more stuff in this universe💖 But thank you so much for being interested in Chan's POV!!! I agree, it would be fun to see what he saw when they met for the first time!!
another 💚 retro to say I’m surprised at the amount of people who feel identified with Minho (i thought i was crazy for that lol 👁️) and wanted to share that actually one of the first rs i sent was about saving a bunch of fav phases/moments of the story, and funny enough most are of when he is feeling very much on the edge and letting his self depreciating thoughts win, which has made me cry multiple times cause it’s awful feeling that way but it’s kinda nice knowing that even if it’s a story there are more people who can relate and make things less lonely (also you made me feel seen, thanks a lot ❤️🩹)
so… i don’t have a point here but i hope that everyone out there that is going through a hard time gets to find a reason to be kind to themselves and enjoy their lives as much as possible even if things are hard right now ^^
Hi hello💖 Ahh, pretty sure I remember your retro from back then!! The thing about saving moments or scenes or even sentences that resonate/are memorable is one of the best parts about reading. As the writers of the story, we're always knocking on the walls to be let in so we can see what you guys save😭 Anyways, yes, it's really interesting to know it's the scenes where he's falling apart that you're saving because those are probably the ones we've tweaked on so much but would preferably not look at without having at least a year or two worth of distance. Those moments are really raw and in some places, there are small bits of our own trauma scattered about.
It's both heartwarming and terrifying to know that readers relate to it or recognize themselves in those moments (and Mimo's character in general). For one, yikes that's me you're looking at and seeing yourself and that sucks for both of us, but on the other side, that at least means that the pain I've experienced and the traumas I've gathered aren't shared only by me but by someone else too, which makes it a lot less lonely and cold to sit in💖
hellooo lovely breads 💚🥰
cute mnchn for you <3 I freaking loveee the content i’ve been seeing on mnchn front, i think reading ftn is influencing my love on them they’re so cute 🤧
https://x.com/minchanbliss/status/1852138321113419811?s=46&t=IIMFz7CPKH74ffiPhs0h5A
Hi hello, lovely gold nugget💖 Love that picture so much, there are literally 3 copies of it in our mnchn folder😭 To this day, I am convinced they would have kissed if not for the fact that they were at a concert and would've gotten carried away which would have resulted in quite the scandal😩
And, honestly same, ever since starting to write mnchn, it's just become everything we can focus on leaving our dearest hyunin to always be in the side wagon because mnchn has take over our minds so much😭
Hihi! Any news on PPDD? 👀
Hiya! We only need to write one last scene on Purest and then we're done with the next chapter SO there'll soon be good news from that front!
When I started reading FNT I remember I "disliked" everyone (maybe except jeongin) and I was kinda of angry/frustraded in every chapter that I read because all of them were so flawed and it was really annoying. However, that exact reason made me want to keep reading because they were so flawed and so messy and so freacking human. Thats the beauty about FNT I think. You get angry at the characters and you almost want to strangle them yet you feel empathy because you can feel how human they are even though what most of them are showing is their bad side.
As time went by, you get to see them evolve and change, and slowly you start seing their qualities and the reasons they were/still are so flawed.
Yes, Minho is self-destructive and Chan and the pack can be/are pushy. And there's nothing we can do about it, thats who they are. They're also extremely caring and loving and emotional.
I think the reason people are so divided when they start reading FTN is because you are immediately presented with everyones bad side and they start chosing sides left and right according to who they think is less flawed than the other or who they feel more empathy towards.
In my case, I just didnt because really everybody pissed me off. But later I was able to see that maybe the reason that happened was because I saw parts of myself in all the characters. Bad parts. And I think thats partially why I "hated" them all at the begining. I was presented indirectly with my flaws and the way they could affect people. I remember when I realised it, it was kinda of a shock to me. But it also helped me to re-think my attitude and reflect on the way I acted sometimes. Then, seeing the characters qualities, reminded me that I also have them. Im a person after all right? Its not all bad. I love FTN to death because I really think it helped me become a better person.
I still am stubborn and pushy like Chan and the pack and at times self destructive like Minho. Thats who I am but I find that for a while I have been less of all of that. I have been aiming to maximize all my qualities and accept my flaws. Im definitely in a better place right now, thanks to you guys! (And of course, my own effort but without ftn it would take much more time for me to realize)
FTN is an amazing story that shows people being exactly that. People. And we all love it for that. So if youre reading for the first time I would advice not to pick sides because everyone in there will get better. We all do.
Thank you Breads! And everybody who took a bit of their time to read this hahaha.
Sending lots of love, as always
- Camila
(I really hope I was able to express myself correctly and that everyone was able to understand what I meant. English is not my first language and I know I can get confusing. If you have any questions, you can always ask and I will clarify myself! 🫶🏻)
Well, I can assure you that you've not been alone in being frustrated while reading FTN😅 It really can be a story that gets on your nerves because of the characters, but we agree, it's the beauty of FTN that everything and everyone is so messy all the time.
And I have to be honest here, some of the critiques some of the characters have gotten have been something we couldn't see or didn't know where stemmed from, but honestly, that's just great - we've just always encouraged people to speak kindly because there are people who relate deeply and personally to some of the characters and might get hurt if they feel like people are being too rough with their words. We're all human and flawed, just like the characters are and we all deserve some grace when it comes to critiquing traits that can be seen in real people too (btw this isn't directed at you, Camila, it's just something I wanted to add to the discussion).
FTN really is a story that needs patience because it has evolved into a character study and it's difficult to see the full picture without, well, having the full picture in front of you. The pack is pushy, yes, but there are reasons for it just like there's an explanation behind Minho's self-destructiveness, and some of those things are just part of who they are, and removing some of those aspects wouldn't remove parts of their identities which would just make them bland and flat characters. The important thing is that they care for and love not in spite of the hurt they've inflicted on each other but because of it.
And, like, wow it's a lot to know our fic is helping you, regardless of the capacity. As we always say, we're happy and over the moon with delight as long as our words bring some sort of comfort or happiness to your life. It's why we write and post, because we enjoy making people happy (or making them question a lot of things about themselves, but, hey, that's also part of the fun about writing. we didn't know we had some issues before Minho suddenly walked around with those problems and presented our weaknesses to everyone reading the fic😅 and don't even get me started on Chan's "gotta stay positive and keep everything inside even though the ship sinking with me on board" because I will cry)
Thank you for bringing your insight to the table, Camila, it's always great to hear from you💖 And don't worry, you were perfectly understandable and not confusing in any way. In fact, I think the confusing one here might be this bread🍞
hi loves 💚 hope you’ve been having a nice week so far, just wanted to pop by to say it’s really fun to read how other people are interpreting ftn (referring to anon who is in ch.6) ^^ and i want to tell you again how much i’m loving this story ✨ i really want to read more stories from you but time is scarce right now but i swear i’ll get to it soon 👁️
remember to drink water&rest properly, love you both 🫶🏻🍞
Hi hello💕 This week has been decent so far, just a little rough around the edges but it is what it is. And, yes! FTN discussions are always so lively and sometimes wordy, but it's wonderful really to be able to see how much everyone can get out of this fic. And don't worry about it! FTN is already a mouthful so there's no need to rush into our other stories when there's already so much FTN to read💖
We'll make sure to drink a glass of water in a moment and then go to sleep, love you tooo💕
I find the last retro EXTREMELY interesting too
(I am on mnho's side too) BUT! Ironically I didn’t finish reading ftn yet I needed to take a break because of... well 😭 him 😭😭😭 I find him extremely relatable as funny as that sounds 😭😭😭
Am I a witch who accidently mated with a werewolf? No :P but! I come from a reallyyyyy similar background
See minorities with huge generational traumas and fresh memories of abuse produce a lot of individuals like him 🥲 disconnected from their feelings, extremely closed up, hyper independent, they struggle to ask for help, they appear to be cold, they link their self worth to their strength, AND they measure their strength by how well they can stand pain without showing they're hurting etc
So! Do I hate him? NO WAY I HELL HOW COULD I?! I ADORE HIM!
Was I able to watch him self destruct for multiple chapters without taking breaks? No 😭
Do I excuse his actions? Yes cause I understand him on a deep level
Do I excuse the pack's actions? NO!
BUT! well ftn is a story about healing and connecting with others and with oneself so as a reader I'd say that I advise my fellow readers to approach all the characters and their rules in the story with empty :] and to look at the bigger picture :] everyone in ftn has a lot of burdens, responsibilities, and healing to do
And as a person who likes to write I'd say I don't see the clashing morals as a plot device the same way you guys do :] especially in ftn
It's not about picking sides, it's more about showing 2 sides of the same story
We get to know the characters better as we progress with the plot and we get to know the whys of their actions and mentalities
And we get to accept them and watch them grow
And really I personally believe that ftn is all about this
Getting over differences, connecting, healing, and love
So again to everyone please be gentle with the traumatised kitten 😭 People like him do exist 😭 and he wasn't the only one to mess up in ftn
He just needs some love 🥲
So please love my poor little traumatised guy 🥲🥲🥲
This was long af I apologise 😭
It's always an interesting discussion, and every time it's brought up, something new gets added to the table, making everything even more interesting. And, yeah, can't really blame you for needing breaks from the story because of Minho himself - he's lovely, but even writing him can sometimes get infuriating because we just want him to heal, but he hasn't been ready for that until recently. Also, you're so on point about him, his heritage, and generational trauma. Personally, I think that if you relate to him or understand where Minho comes from it's difficult to truly and fully hate him without at least feeling sympathy for him. Of course, it doesn't excuse anything (both from the pack and Minho himself) but it does offer explanations.
Honestly, the clashing morals aspect of FTN is one we really struggled with because when we threw it on the poll, we expected it to lose, but it didn't and we got a bit scared about that. We didn't want to disappoint and clashing morals is kind of difficult to write without portraying antagonistic traits in everyone (and we're writing kpop fanfic here so if we cross the line and make someone too unlikeable the chances of death threats getting shipped to our door increases - it can be terrifying out here). So, yeah, we do view the clashing morals as more of a plot device because we wanted it to be an integral part of the story and to carry a lot of the plot/conflict.
Also, very much agree with you on your interpretation of what FTN is about!! Couldn't have put it better ourselves, it really is about showing 2 sides of the same story! Everyone needs to be shown some love and some grace here, especially our little traumatized guy😭💖
also i wanted u to know that my only motivation through life are your stories (literally!!!!!) and also the hope of a very angsty zombie au written by you (im not demanding dont get me wrong !!! just hoping in my heart)
love uuuuuuuuu
-j
Thank you🥹 It really means the world to know we're bringing you comfort💕 And as for zombies.... Well, one of us is very much team anti-zombies but I'll try my best to convince her one day bc I think it would be the funniest worldbuilding to do🙌
hello lovely breads just here to say i love you guys very much and i hope u have a great day
-j
Hi hello, j💖 Thank you so much!! We both hope life is starting to treat you with the immense amount of kindness you deserve, love u toooo💕
hello my modern shakespeares i hope you’re doing well, just wanted to say how much i loved the fic for minchantober<3
looking at the other retros i noticed how many people misunderstand minho’s character and i’ve noticed that you usually write from his perspective the most, is there a particular reason for this, do you identify with him the most, like his pov more or just a coincidence?
ahhhhh anyways i’m such a huge fan i hope you know how much your work and dedication is appreciated and loved. <3
Hi hello💕 Thank you so much!!! And, well, it's always just been Minho or Jeongin from where the story creates itself around so we just write from their POV naturally because of that. I guess it's probably because we're the most inspired by those two so the chances of a story centered around them being brought to life are just higher than for another member. Also, those two just have that sort of keeping their hurt to themselves and keeping their facades high which is just so addictive to write and explore.
We'd like to crack into the Chan POV because there's something very interesting to play around with there but it's bit tricky to get his inner voice to work with our style - but we're getting there, one oneshot at a time!!!
Chapter 6 😭😭😭😭 this is very embarrassing that I went and asked a lot before even finishing the story IM EMBARRASSED and okay that changes a lot of things fmlhdsckpb!!!
Ahh, alright, that makes sense😭 Okay, then just stick with it and you'll probably get a lot of your questions and worries answered. Keep in mind, that none of the members are written to be villains so if they act in a way where alarm bells are ringing, it's not because they're evil, but because there's a deeper meaning behind it all
Anyhows, enjoy the fic and if you need anything answered, just hit us up here and we'll do our best to help you along💖
Hey it's me again sorry, so I don't think Minho is self centered I don't think he has any touch with himself tbh. I think he is bad at feelings like a real bad at feelings like the absolute worst. He is aware of that but also limit feelings to simple things like love and happiness. Like he knows he is living a miserable lonely life but also don't consider mystery and loneliness as feelings. He feels so much but he never process them and what hurts the most to me is that he's actually smart and self aware, blaming himself for what happened instead of chan.
Also about the witches/werewolves thing I see it as an oppressor/oppressed thing which is why I don't go for them even if Chan was an anti social bad wolf with angry issues so
And if I have a lot of thoughts and questions, can I say them here?
Very curious to know which chapter you've reached because some of the things about werewolves and witches and their relationship with each other are explained in detail further into the story (After ch. 8 or 11 if I recall correctly, it's been a hot minute since skimming that part of the story). Witches and wolves aren't as oppressor/oppressed as you might assume, it's more of an oppressed/oppressed position (a lot of the things that happened to witches also happened to wolves at the hands of humans, and their history has a lot of similarities in that sense - the way they evolved and moved past those things are very different. In a way, and put very simplified, werewolves are emotional creatures and have worked on the generational trauma they experienced, whereas witches decided not talking about it was the right way to go - so essentially, the wolves turned it into generational healing where witches stayed in the trauma, perpetuating the circle of their own misery).
Of course, in modern society, witches keep to themselves for the most part and live outside of human/werewolf society and don't mingle for the most part (lower-ranked witches do, but witches with a rank like Minho's keep away from everyone who isn't a witch of the same rank as them - it's a safety precaution). It's a bit complicated and we've panicked about it plenty of times not making sense or coming across poorly
Anyways, you're right. Minho is very bad with feelings and his reasonings behind a lot of things might not make sense in the beginning, but that's because he's working with flawed reasonings. I can't really give you too much of why he's like he is because I don't want to spoil the story for you when I don't know how far you've come in the fic🙇
And, yes, of course, you can ask here if you have questions.
when i said the same things about chan and the pack other than felix in january/february everyone booed me 😒 and u guys said how i shouldn’t be mad at the chan and the pack and they have their reasons too but u guys now saying to a reader they still can want to punch minho in the face,, minho can be self destructive but i think chan and the pack are pushy ones that forgets theres boundaries also even though they werewolves calls witches selfish werewolves are too selfish in their own ways and we saw how that happing to innie
The punching thing is a figure of speech, and trust me, no one will defend Minho's character more than us if anyone crosses the line - the previous anon wasn't being demeaning and the dislike (which I think is too harsh a word to use in this case) comes from not knowing every detail about Minho's character. The thing we love about FTN is how flawed everyone is and how everyone makes mistakes but at least try to learn and get better (even if they might never reach perfection) 💖
the last retro is so interesting to me since i have always been on mnho's side (in ftn) and always found his character to be very understandable! ( i love your writing so so much btw <3)
To be very honest, when the first reactions to Mimo's character started rolling in we were very shocked because to us he was just a traumatized little kitten who needed a lot of love to get out of his shell and to think anyone could hate him had never occurred to us while writing😭
Thank youuuu for reading💕
Hello bread attorney.
I want to ask you a question, so I started reading ftn recently and I really really don't like Minho (I am not here criticizing istg I hope you don't take this as a bad thing, I absolutely love your writing) it's just him as a character, how can he be so miserable yet refuses to see that? Like the time a random witch saw him hugging chan in grocery shopping and he immediately started clarifying himself like??? I reached in this part and I just... felt so bad for him and because of him too. The previous chapter was so good, I thought Minho was going to see things differently now after seeing that he didn't know everything like he thought he did. The fic so far feels like an emotional rollercoaster for the reader (maybe just me) who already separated chan and minho to 2 teams and I'm strongly on Chans side and this feels like missing a big point of the fic (clashing morals) but again the witch community sucks so much that I want to burn all them alive ( except 2min).
I was going to comment this but I wanted to come forward and ask you to forgive my comprehension skills and give me tips how to read about Minho without wanting to rip my hair off my head ?
Uhuhu, this is one of the good ones. We had a lot of discussions about this in the beginning and especially around January/February there were a lot of retros about this. If you want to, you can go search for those on twt.
First things first, as with everything, interpretation is personal, and just because the author - in this instance, us - says something, it doesn't mean it's the law. If you disagree or feel differently about something, then that is part of the joy of writing and reading. You don't have to get forgiveness for your interpretation or your comprehension skills. If you read this answer and still want to punch Minho, then you've done nothing wrong, alright? Good, let's get into it.
All right, so, the point of the clashing morals aspect is that you, the reader, will align yourself with whom you think is morally correct in the scenarios. In most cases, it will probably be Chan because he's more community-centered, open-minded, and friendly. Most people will view Minho as a cold, self-centered prick who deserves everything bad coming his way. This isn't unsurprising, considering Minho is everything we - normal human beings living in the real world - view negatively, but for Minho himself he is acting like a witch would. Because to him, that is normal. Everything Minho does, all of his actions, opinions, and the norm system he's been raised in is vastly different from Chan's and the rest of us. He's a witch so he acts like one.
At the beginning of the fic, Minho was a very peculiar person, and most readers/commenters had a tense relationship with him - which is fair, he's certainly something. The longer you get into the story, the more you'll hopefully get to understand why he's miserable yet refuses to acknowledge why that might be. There's a reason behind that (some might even say trauma lies behind his behavior) so when he starts clarifying to everyone willing to listen to him explain that "Yeah it sure does look like me and this werewolf are getting comfy but it's just because he's annoying and I'm Normal™ so don't start thinking otherwise!" You're going to feel bad for Minho because he's clearly suffering, and you're an emphatic person, but you're also going to get frustrated with him because he's in pain but he keeps perpetuating this downward spiral and oh my fucking god he's doing it again and now he's causing a scene over something stupid, someone free Chan!!!
Minho isn't healthy and he's not in his right mind most of the time and he will continue to be willfully harmful to himself and to Chan and to the pack because he's self-destructive in the worst of ways (and really bad at communicating). FTN is a story where there's a lot of one step forward, two steps backward, and eventually the breaking point will be reached for all of them, just in different portrayals and caused by different triggers. It is an emotional rollercoaster and there will be points where you're going to be ready to hit us up and scream at us why everyone hates Minho or why everyone is willing to forgive him and that's the point. FTN is messy because real life is messy and we're just trying to explore that in a fantasy setting about witches and werewolves through cultural differences, norms, and generational trauma.
You're probably going to continue hating the witches for a long time and maybe by the end of the fic you're still going to hate them - and that is alright! You've seen a very limited part of what witches actually are in the FTN universe because Minho only surrounds himself with that kind of witch, just like you're going to love the werewolves. After all, you've been granted access to Chan's pack and they're wonderful so why start being afraid that other werewolves might be just as horrible as witches?
It's great you decided to come here and ask this because retro lends itself somewhat better to this than the comment section does - mostly because we suck at replying over there - and hopefully this gave you a bit of insight into how and why we've decided to go this way with the fic and where we're going with Minho💖
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