Hmm, have a bit of a troublesome rship with grav falls, as I have many frustrations with it & it's execution & its creator. =.= It feels like beating a dead horse though to get into it, as I've talked about it in various instances in the past, so [WAVES HAND QUICKLY...] Just imagine that I have a lot of gripes... buuuut I can admit it simultaneously occupies a kind of nostalgia for me, as I was very excited when getting into it at first. >> And I had a phase of drawing fanart and romping around excitedly. You can find some art in this thread.

I do like pinecest though. Dipper and Mabel are the one thing I still care about... Can't change the fact that I was very infatuated with Dipper Pines and called him my girlfriend (???) for a while. And I have some nebulous kinnie feeling for Mabel so, I still like to look at art of them at times. I've talked about pinecest in the past, so I will paste this old response from 2021... err. It feels clunky upon rereading it, but I hope it is adequate... So:

"*shyly wiggles...* Thank you for being interested in my pinecest feefees... I am quite shy about this ship, but! If you'd really like to hear then, here I go.

For starters, I feel I should mention my history with pinecest, briefly, is rather um... Yearning, haw. When I got into Grav Falls and was drawing fanart, I definitely had "het cringe" and didn't want to be seen enjoying a basal het ship (this was at a time where incest wasn't villainized so much so that was Not an element of my embarrassment btw). Anyways this was happening during the like, 3 years I shipped gay stuff only (LOL), and I was the typical... "haha het stuff dumb, gay stuff only now! I have advanced" mindset. I got allured into GF by seeing so much noncon, torture of Dipper Pines, so I naturally just pursued Billdip for pure noncon horny. And, admittedly I dooo like some of Bill's imagery and base concept — a dream demon. I was very enchanted by the dreamscape and wanted to see more interplay of that... I think the 'demon' quadrant of my brain could not help but vibe it. And. For some reason. I have an intense thirst for Dipper. More on that later.

Mysteriously, however, despite hanging out with Billdip shippers, and mostly focusing on, reading fic of, and seeking art of Billdip, I naturally found myself drawing Mabel a lot?? Like some mysterious strong Mabel feelings. I didn't expect them for myself at all. Most people presume I would relate to Dipper, actually, but I never have, despite it all. It's not quite 'me'. Mabel struck something more precisely, however, enough that I ended up workshopping a lot with her despite not (consciously) having a ship. I remember feeling perplexed by how little Billdip I drew, in reality.

Eventually I made an AU where Mabel actually 'fused' with Bill, and essentially got his powers. Bill the entity himself was not present in her, he uh, essentially got Juiced into just the raw abilities. And, I realize that is, all I wanted from Bill in the end. I condensed him and then injected Mabel with demon juice lol. I had a friend at the time who loved Tyrone, and had an RP blog and encouraged me to join. For, whatever reason, our muses had crazy chemistry with one another and it devolved into shippy nonsense and NSFW RP, despite neither of us, planning it. So. I wrote a lot of not-quite-pinecest for a minute.

Tsundere as I was, though, I kept telling myself it wasn't really it... and, kept achingly looking at That One Big Pinecest artist (you know the one.) I was like SIGH. [presses hand to glass]

Eventually I just moved on. And, as GF continued, I did not like, where it wound up. So pinecest always has this 'the one that got away' quality of — if only I had been relishing it in the hayday, and enjoying it for what it was. But every now and then I crawl back to it, to think about Dipper and Mabel...

To answer what I like about it, I think it's simple; I like sibling incest, and think their dynamic is cute... and also sad! The aspect where Mabel is very attached and doesn't want their time together to end, while Dipper is so self-obsessive and neurotic he can't stop caring about how he is perceived — so he wants to grow up, and not be a dumb little kid. It is! Painful! I wish to cure Dipper of his disease that makes him care about this stuff. He needs it!! He is not happy!!!! GF has bad. Messages about masculinity so I would love to unpack that sh*t also! Save Dipper-!! From this horrible pit where he is self conscious and miserable!

And, Mabel just is a good girl, I feel like she deserves, sibling kiss. If it is what she wants. And, personally, I think it is.

Ah um, there's such a funny element to pinecest for me.... er. So, I have some sort of kin emotion for Mabes... it feels so intense. I don't actually have loli thirst for her, like usual. For, whatever reason, that thirst is pointed at Dipper. But like. Also for some reason? I see Dipper as. A girl???? I have very thirstily thought about Dipper's pussy and tits... I used to. Call him my girlfriend? Crazily?? Omg it's. Like so embarrassing I do not know. What this emotion is. I kind of have to just accept the confusion is that Me, Bird, is looking at the Mabel in me's adoration, like "... hey mabes... wanna explain wtf this is..." and she's like "I WUV DIPPERRRR!!!!!!!!! <3 <3 <3" .. and we just have to. Reach a mutual understanding about this.

Anyways, moving onto, "what I want to do with this ship"... It's kind of embarrassing and convoluted feeling. but! I will try and be brave. Okay.

So... I know it is not an uncommon HC in fandom to think of Dipper as a trans boy, because Dipper and Mabel look similar enough that you could assume they are identical twins. I've actually always ascribed to this HC (this is notable, as I don't ah, usually have trans HCs or agree with fandom trans HCs...) — I've illustrated it, even. I am often working within this 'canon'. I like to think that Dipper and Mabel's parents are supportive and willing to let Dipper choose for himself this path, and start presenting male this young. Oh, but I like to think that they are supportive in a... mm... still 'distant' sort of way. It's not that they are so involved and close with Dipper that they deeply care about this journey as much as, they're like financially stable and it isn't a big deal to them, if this is what Dipper wants, and so -adheres-.

... [more awkwardly] but actually, as me and Avvy have talked about this more... We've discussed how we see Dipper's insecurity of his masculinity as born of a need to overcompensate, as a trans boy. And, in the first place, the desire to transition being more born out of self-hate... not out of chasing a truer self, but more out of escapism, from being unable to reconcile with the idea of himself as a 'girl'. While I know most people would explore these emotions as simply an essential part of being trans, me and Avvy actually have craved a sort of 'deconstruction' of what it means for Dipper to have these emotions. The ways dysphoria is not so cut and dry.

As is, I really do not like the concept of a young trans boy just being toughened up by his old Grunkle and then, erm, just becoming a 'man' — though fwiw I hate this concept even through the lens of Dipper being cis in canon. Still, specifically in the context of HCs, it sucks so bad... Successfully being seen as 'one of the boys' simply netting Dipper being belittled and mocked for the reasons a nerdy, neurotic little boy. Honorary receiving the same kind of degradation... it is not what he desired, or sought, upon pursuing this identity.

Perhaps it is just me being stinky also, but I don't think of Stan as. Progressive. So, I do think, if he. Found out Dipper was trans eventually, that it would bolster his emotion of "LOL that's why you're a wimpy, shrimpy sissy boy... I see". But this is me taking that "old-fashioned" mindset to the bank :/ If, Stan has intrinsic belief that boys need to be treated differently than girls, and as Dipper's Grunkle he should berate/belittle him and challenge him, because that's what Guys Do. Then. It makes logical sense to me that his rational would make him biased towards if Dipper was not 'really' a boy to him.

Anyways, walking this back a bit, before Dipper actually goes to Grav Falls that summer, I imagine his childhood was a friendless one. Mabel is more of the social butterfly, Dipper was more bookish and isolating... Awkward, and not good at interactions. And, admittedly so self-obsessed and narrow-sighted that he would not make for a good friend. He stays within the comfort zone of sister. But, there is pain in feeling like, a shitty, frumpy nerd girl, next to your sweet amicable sister. It's not very endearing, is it. Being bullied often for being withdrawn and nerdy, and forming sensitivity to the birthmark, only making things worse. It is painful to think about having to be a girl for more years of school, deal with more of this treatment. Guys don't have to deal with this... Wouldn't it be so much nicer to shed the tackiness of dresses and skirts and, pink, and what-all? If it isn't even going to look good on you, all the better. Just. Drop this dead weight.

[distracted for a moment] and, if Dipper is, attracted to girls, it is even more like. I can't be. An ugly gay girl. I can't do this. Perhaps, subconsciously there is a desire to make life easier, also. But this is an errant thought, I haven't actually contemplated that deeply about this aspect. OH but — related to this tangent. I kind of have amused myself by thinking about Dipper starting to ID as male and simultaneously, Mabel begins to become boy crazy, and the vibes are weird. Lol. But moving on...

For Mabel, there is sadness in losing sister, but Dipper is Dipper, so she loves him, and cares about him of course. But she will start to feel the divide between them more, as Dipper also doggedly pursues becoming more independent and not attached. Not wanting to be twinning all the time, and feeling embarrassed ! basically not able to handle the 'cringe'! It's very sad.

but... But. All these pieces are set up, so that once their summer at Grav Falls starts, they need to collide...! I would like to use Grunkle Stan as god's test to Dipper, of — do you really want this? To be this? ... even if Stan is being unfair, it still forces Dipper to really think hard. And consider, the future. What does it mean to be a boy.. to, become a man? Maybe it. Isn't so great, in reality. Maybe it... maybe it's. Just. Not something you can handle thinking about, for very long. Abstract and, difficult. Having to think about — once, puberty happens, getting a binder, and being offered.. hormones... The future of top surgery. It all can feel... oppressive...!

As an aside, both me and Avvy have had grief about the 'future' of our gender ID that we were experimenting with, in the past — when we had to think about what it meant to 'be' this, and live as this, it was suddenly like. Oh I can't. Do that. And this is where I wish more stories about gender could meaningfully talk about when things were multi-layered, and not so simple... How, sometimes looking at the projected 'track' that other people go on — the key Beats of this journey — it can freak you out, suddenly! The preciousness of what you had prior to the new ID leaps out! It's like . Ah. I can't. Give up my boobs! or, I don't want to be NB when having sex. I don't want to be seen as this, engaged with as this... It can smack you in the face!

Between the forces of Stan and the teens in Grav Falls, Dipper feels put in a centrifuge of. Oh my god! I don't want this actually. DKFJSGHDK!! but walking it back, also SO humiliating to think about... Miserable! Well, now you'll look like a stupid kid having a phase, won't you-!? It's not very beautiful, is it-!?!? ... but Mabel is, ever patient and, a source of solace. She won't judge! And she'll just be happy to help!

We like to think of Dipper quietly, in private letting Mabel use she/her and sister again... It's like <3 <3 <3 secrets... <3.... and ah, eventually walking Dipper back into being a girl, essentially... Through support and. Sister kiss. I would like this to be like a rekindling of their closeness, and a moment to experiment when away from home... with intimacy. Hehe. As they become closer, they would be prone to keeping more secrets between them, and their adventures in GF become more insular. Cozy to think about, becoming mutually obsessive... as it is, while Mabel is the overtly clingy one in canon, Dipper has his own moments of being WEIRD about Mabel so. I want to explore that

And on top of all this, I do want to utilize the supernatural elements of Grav Falls and create more chicanery! Peril! And dire circumstances... and um, crazy sex, as I always crave. But at the moment, this is basically the skeleton for this ship. I would someday like to illustrate stuff... I really would. Whenever I have the gd time...

So basically, would like to detransition Dipper and have her get fingered by sister. Thaaaaanks for listening."