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i'm going to address this thread as someone who largely disagrees with (most of) it
https://x.com/kusanagicanary/status/1856000705917530420
the tweet you quoted wasn't even about it being a 2-parter. it simply stated that there would be no after-talk for the event. unless the radio show explained that the story will be a 2-parter, i'm going to call bullshit at your main claim
"first and foremost--this specific point is a narrative built between ena and mizuki. this is their plotline from 4 years ago that is specifically between these two. the story cannot move on until the two of them reach a resolution with each other and themselves" true. but the intimacy of the secret died the minute kanade and mafuyu were informed from mizuki that she would be talking to them about her secret at a later date. you also missed the whole point of nightchord's stories, which is about finding solace in each other. yes, you may argue that kanade and mafuyu had their own personal conflict to resolve in order for mafuyu Specifically to move forward. but that would not have been the case without mizuki's and ena's help. the same is true for mizuki. kanade wasn't the only person who saved mafuyu. in the same way, it would be unfair to expect ena to be the ONLY person to do all the work when that's what niigo has never been about. it's true that they can't move on unless mizuki and ena themselves resolve their conflict. but ena can't do it alone. and putting ena at the spotlight without the other relationships that mizuki cherishes (even if these will only support ena's resolution on how she would reach out to mizuki) would be doing a disservice to mizuki's importance to so many other people. that's largely why people speculate kana5 (especially considering how kanade's been so left in the dark with mizuki's vague statements on how she was "saved" by her. and she's already caught mizuki in the act of deprecating herself); ena's already shown that she struggles to empathize with others (secret distance with meiko). she NEEDS the push from the other important people in mizuki's life in order to know how to reach out to mizuki in a way that doesn't set her off. she NEEDS output. and she's not getting the output needed to understand mizuki's position in one event
"kanade and mafuyu are blatantly not aware of what is going on between the two. and frankly, they shouldn't know. do you think it would help mizuki to have her agency to come out taken away even further? do you think it would be incharacter for ena to air mizuki's secret publicly?" you are acting like ena can't find a way to keep mizuki's secret WHILE informing kanade and mafuyu about what happened. this outlook just completely diminishes not just mizuki's relationships with other people but also the fact that ena's love and care is not limited to mizuki. kanade lost the people she cherished three times. do you not think ena is going to consider that? there are so many ways for her to tell kanade and mafuyu what happened to mizuki without touching on mizuki's secret. they can be aware without knowing the root source of it
""but its non canon, why does that matter" it's about the vibes. seriously. i don't know how to phrase it any better than this, but these things would actually hurt fan's moods, immersion, and lower the overall reception of events. both ingame and out of game" and all the other statements related to this. i think it would hurt more for the fans if the story is resolved in a way that mizuki would act like all that didn't happen. and i will admit it's clpl's fault for extending the influence of mizu5 to the menu lines. that's a poor choice that did not take into consideration the reception of the fans. it's a double edged sword, really. but i'm going to play devil's advocate here. if everything went back to normal and mizuena's conflicts were resolved, where would the story go for them? for mizuki? because yes she's been accepted by the people she loves. but what's in it for her after? kanade's + mafuyu's + ena's arcs have been prolonged for so long and yet you can't even allow for mizuki's to be same (not saying that she has to be dark and empty forever. but she's not going to go back to being as happy as she used to be. it's kind of like mafuyu all over again). that's already on the fans for not understanding the gravity of mizuki's situation and why the lack of immersion is relevant. and this split / conflict has been hinted since pre-release of the game (i've been a fan since the month they hinted at the characters. i latched onto mizuki the minute they dropped the character profiles for niigo). you can't expect the actual fall to last for two months when it's been over-emphasized across all official content
i'm also going to plug in this user's thread: https://x.com/kanachez/status/1856368152927486011. you're literally a killjoy and i don't think it's right for you to shut down other theories this rudely when people like us are coming from a place of KNOWING that ena isn't the only important person in mizuki's life. because again, we understand that niigo has always been about mutual help and support. just like mafuyu couldn't have run away without the help of the other three, mizuki's conflict isn't going to be resolved with JUST ena. ena can be at the forefront (and she should since for so long until mizuki told kanade and mafuyu that she has something to say to them, ena was alone). but she cannot do it without seeing how it affects kanade and mafuyu and knowing how else she can reach out to mizuki in a way that doesn't worsen the discord between them. there's basis for us inasmuch as there is basis for yours.
Thank you for the long and thought out reply! It is genuinely appreciated.
"it simply stated that there would be no after-talk for the event." I think you missed the entire second half of the tweet I quoted. "There will be no after-talk for this event. The after-talk will be held after the next Nightcord event."
This is saying that the after talk is being merged with the next after talk. It's effectively going to be one giant one to tackle both the climax and the resolution. I don't really know how to tell you this any other way Anon but the event just kind of ends there right after the big moment (understandably so). I apologize that this is pretty difficult to explain.
"the intimacy of the secret died the moment Kanade and Mafuyu died the minute were informed from Mizuki that she would be talking to them about her secret at a later date."
This is just not exactly true and you extended Mizuki's statement to include more than it really does. The intimacy of it is still there when the only thing Kanade and Mafuyu know is that "Mizuki would like to talk to them at some point and will contact them when she's ready" Why? They don't know. About what? They don't know. There is still an intimacy in that the only person who knows what's going on and that Mizuki is hiding a secret is... Ena.
It was a little too long to quote any part in specific, so I'll just be addressing it all at once, but I don't disagree at all with finding solace in the four of each other being what Niigo is about. I agree with that. I don't know why you'd assume otherwise of me when I have never stated anything of the sort. I still think expecting this specific "issue" to go into a longer extended arc is shooting yourself in the foot. My tweets were primarily aimed at the folk who I've seen think this plotline will not get any resolution whatsoever for an incredibly long time and Mizuki will stay absent and will take up the entire next year of Project Sekai's content. In fact, I've seen people write that this would take up the next 6 events which would extend long past the next year either. Which to me is flat out insanity. Unless that's you, in which case, yeah, target audience I guess. This game is going to keep moving forward whether we like it or not.
I've trimmed down a few parts of my own post because I'm just not really replying well but what I'm getting at with immersion is that they cannot host the Colorful Live if Mizuki is just MIA and depressed 24/7 lol. If they do it in character with the current depressed Mizuki, it creates an awkward vibe and doesn't make sense for Mizuki to just be dancing around with Niigo like that during this period (and FYI, the lives do feature in character content...) and if they do it OOC, it's going to also create an uncomfortable vibe and break immersion in regards to "current events" (not sure the right terminology.) Fan reception is soooooooo extremely important to these type of games.
"if everything went back to normal and mizuena's conflicts were resolved, where would the story go for them?"
shrug emoji. That's up for Clpl to decide, really. There's a billion different routes this game could go after this event, and there's technically a billion different routes for what next event does too. My PERSONAL guess, is that next event is going to resolve Mizuki/Ena specifically, and a future Mizuki event at a point in the distant future will resolve anything further with Mizuki/Kanade+Mafuyu.
I did read that thread before you sent me this even, and I even consulted friends for differing viewpoints. I think OP took it too personally. I don't think it makes me a "killjoy" to point out that people have blown this up much too far and expectations are ballooned beyond any sort of reason. If you disagree with that sentence specifically, I have nothing else to really say. Sorry we don't see eye to eye.
Being honest, your harsh tone seriously throws me off. I've been working on a response for about two hours flat without doing anything else in the mean time, and I genuinely mean that I found it rather uncomfortable to reply to and I'm not going to hold a further conversation at this time for the sake of my own boundaries. I hope you will understand. Let's be respectful to one another, OK?
However, I would still like to see you during November 30th, at any rate. I did think this was an insightful perspective and I don't regret responding. Let's see how wrong I am or how wrong you are.
hi you have me blocked on main since forever but i just want to say i think you're cool ive never seen you post a bad take in the many times i saw you on tl and it's rly refreshing to see someone speaking my mind . have a nice day nonoomf
it's kinda frustrating imo that mizuki's arc would just be wrapped up in one event. like if they needed to do it before the next colorful live then ig it would be okay but I just cannot wrap my head around that Mizuki will suddenly recover from this in just the span of one singular event. I know the mizuena storyline pretty much started with early mizuki focuses but I would at least want her to have some time to breathe. And also i think it would be pretty cool to see how Kanade would handle it since she's the one who's supposed to save people with her music and I think it would also be extremely relavent to see kanamafu's contribution to Mizuki's story. idk i'm bad at explaining stuff but I'd genuinely be very surprised if clpl manages to sort out the situation Mizuki is having in just 8 chapters.
I'm also not the best with words or explaining myself either, so I understand Anon. Don't worry about it. I empathize with feelings of frustration about how plotlines are going too. Unfortunately I'm a WxS fan LMFAO.
I wouldn't say Mizuki's arc in it's entirety would be "wrapped up" tbqh but I think the Mizuki+Ena secret portion of it would be pretty much resolved. Which is what is bothering Mizuki right now specifically, so I think having Mizuki back to relative normal after a direct confrontation with Ena isn't actually all that farfetch'd.
As for Mizuki's arc going forward, think of it like how Mafuyu's story didn't just end after she directly confronted her mother. There are still things that the game can tackle in the future. Mafuyu5 is one of my favorite events in the game and it shows there is still plenty they can do with her story with how reconnecting with her father has given her a greater security in the future. The same would apply for Mizuki.
There is a lot they can do with Mizuki, since the question of coming out to Kanade and Mafuyu is most likely not being answered yet either. THAT would be too much resolution in one event and it would take away from Ena, I think. Mizuki6 could do that in the distant future (probably after Kana5/Mfy6 handle some other stuff), and maybe it could introduce a new plotline neither of us could have even considered, too. We don't know, really.
It could be really interesting to see Kanade have something after-the-fact like you wrote down because it'd be thought-provoking for her. I could see something similar to this happening if that's the direction they want to take the story. Personally, I'm leaning onto something more related to her own future or her father though as a direct continuation of Kanade4, but your idea is still good. I like that.
About your post with Mizuki‘s arc and saying that nobody else will get involved in the follow up event - I just want to frankly ask you how that would look like without being utterly unrealistic. By „getting involved“ I don‘t mean anyone but Ena finding out about Mizuki‘s identity, of course not. I mean how Mizuki is literally a member of Nightcord and the other WILL notice how something is wrong when their most cheerful and active member is suddenly gone and the other member of theirs is in a strange mood! Not to mention Mizuki’s Kamiyama friends ESPECIALLY Rui, he‘s the only one other than Ena that knew that Mizuki wanted to come out and we know him well enough to be certain that he will be able to connect the dots to Mizuki‘s plan and Mizuki‘s sudden isolation. Other characters will notice and there‘s no way around it. Not sure if you‘re a Mizuena shipper that wants it to be between them ONLY but I think it is a bit unrealistic.
I didn't say they would be completely uninvolved but the ideas I've been seeing float around is that "next is Kanade5 and then we get Ena and Mafuyu events about this" which I think is setting yourself up for disappointment. This is nothing like the Mafuyu arc and if anything.. (gestures at the first year of the game) that was the actual Mizuki arc with a year of buildup. Ena's Picnic event is centered around her bond with Mizuki and desire to reach out, Mizuki's heavy involvement in Carnation, the final scraps of buildup in Mirage of Lights and the end with the zinger that is Footprints. Doesn't that sound familiar to you...?
Kanade and Mafuyu will certainly play some sort of role as do most characters in most events, but it will almost definitely not be anywhere to this level of how personal Mafuyu's arc went and it will probably be more with Ena than it is with Mizuki. That is what I am trying to say. The game even cracks a joke on the player about how Kanade and Mafuyu are unaware of what is going on (there is an area conversation between the two that is just them lightheartedly talking about the festival and how they hope Ena and Mizuki are having fun. It's framed in a specific way that hurts to read as they don't know what we know).
As for Mizuki's friends at Kamikou--well, the problem is, Mizuki is infamously known for skipping class. Toya and Akito will probably not even bat an eye to Mizuki's absence. An has a similar deal in that while she's closer to Mizuki, she also knows Mizuki is a terminal class skipper... that, and the two are in separate classes now and the writing team just weirdly never wants to acknowledge them. They have by far some of the least outward content of any Y1 classmates and it took them until the very last event before the age-up to even give them a class event together. One of my biggest gripes tbh.
I do very much agree Rui will have some sort of content with Mizuki--a side story at minimum, AFTER Mizuki and Ena work things out together feels extremely realistic. Maybe even this next Niigo event. I am hoping to see this, personally! It makes a lot of sense Rui would have a follow-up considering as you said, he knows Mizuki's intentions.
I'm not actually a particularly big shipper. You can see that I do not list anything in my carrd, because it's not really that important to me. So, I'm not saying this because of desiring "ship content" or a bias in that sense. I care about the narrative of the story as someone who reads pretty much every nugget of content from events to menu lines to area convos to side stories to interviews the developers have offered, and have been interested in the game for around 3.5 years now. I think writing people you disagree with off as "shippers who ONLY want content to themself" is weird and says more about the type of person you are, honestly. I notice this happens a lot to Mizuki and Ena in particular, which is interesting. Why do people hate the idea that they have a specific bond and narrative unique to them so much?
Anyways, I'd love to talk to you again on November 30th, Anon. I think it could be nice to see how our predictions pan out. Will I be wrong? Will you be wrong? Who knows.
(Same anon) It's okay I get what you mean. How do you think they'll handle Mizuki's story? Will they still keep it ambiguous to cater to transphobic fans or will they actually make transfem Mizuki canon?
I genuinely could not tell you because I'm not Colopale, just a fan, but I'm praying on the latter that they go out and say it haha. I do think it would be insane to leave it ambiguous Still after deliberately setting up the reveal for nearly an entire year (WL was the first serious push) but ... I also fear if they don't leave it ambiguous they might just rug pull the entire thing and reveal it was bait all along and Mizuki is cis (in some way). I'd hate that. We'd all hate that.
Sorry if this is offensive, but I'm curious-- How is the white day trio transphobic?
Hiya!
It's not offensive to ask questions, don't worry. Effectively, White Day is traditionally a men's holiday and the inclusion of The Trans Girl Character is uh, an odd choice. (here's a source to explain more about White Day and the origins of it but you can find plenty more if you need to do some more research) https://tokyotreat.com/blog/march-14th-everything-you-need-to-know-about-white-day
Project Sekai definitely follows the traditional male white day due to the way they treat the holiday. The login bonuses uses art of the men (and as of this year, Mizuki...), the art they post on twitter for the holiday only uses the men, and they follow this with the gacha of it too. The first two white days covered 5 guys and Mizuki. The third White Day, when they basically ran out, morphed the appearances of the girls to resemble more traditionally masculine figures--it's particularly noticeable on the card art for Kanade and Mafuyu. The intention for these events is well, men/male fanservice, because White Day is a holiday centered around men...
The gacha is the most important part of any event, because those are the ones with the most work put in, have outfits, hairstyles,
So, why is it weird to include Mizuki?
It's because they clearly made it a priority to lump Mizuki in with the guys on a traditionally guy-holiday. Mizuki is in the first White Day event, after all. With Tsukasa and Akito. The second one brings Toya Rui and Kaito in. The intent is to bring as many of the guys in as fast as possible. It's to profit off of Mizuki "as a guy" to appeal to certain gross parts of the fanbase. To lump Mizuki in with men/masculinity.
That is the reason that these three characters are "associated" together, because of transphobic business appeals to male fan service.
The card itself is fine and so is the costume, Mizuki is handled respectfully in that front, it's the intention behind it's existence that is weird.
I'm sorry if this is a bit difficult to read/understand, if you have any additional questions please feel free to ask some more.
Yea I agree the split is still there, though it is less blatant than all the other units. How the OP worded it and you agreeing with it seemed like you were downplaying the other dynamics. Sorry if I came off as mad, it’s just that Honami and Shiho are SO overlooked already even within the Leo/Need fanbase. Your answer was good, I might’ve misinterpreted your QRT
Well, it's definitely not entirely your fault. My tweet didn't have enough context. I'm willing to admit that. From the perspective of someone who only saw my tweet... it's reasonable to come to the conclusions you did. Especially because WxS fans in particular have a really bad habit of denying the importance of dynamics in unit :pensive: but I digress.
Though, I wouldn't really say Shiho is overlooked by the Leo/need fanbase... really, if anything, most of the people I've seen are huge Shiho fans.
But in the greater context of Project Sekai fans as a whole, Shiho is. VERY overlooked. People write Shiho off so easy and it makes me sad...! Actually, there was a bit of a weird trend like 2 years ago where people would just. Hate Shiho and Shiho fans? Like they would always be grouped in with "most toxic fans" and I was genuinely stumped lol.
I'd actually personally argue Saki is more overlooked in Leoni fan circles, but she has the opposite deal of Shiho where she's popular for general fans. Not always for the best reasons either though :skull:
Anyways, no problem, it was nice to talk about it and clear the air up. I enjoy these.
(Referencing your tweet) How is the 1+2 and 3+4 split real for Leo/Need? And saying that Saki was the only one who inspired Ichika waters down Honami and Shiho's role within the band A LOT. Especially Shiho's lol
I didn't really have the time to write it all out back when I wrote my tweet (I wasn't expecting to get any traction lol), but I think OP is.. kindof in the right idea, but the wrong execution. I think dumbing it down to just "the second member inspired the first" is pretty boring and not the best way to look at these dynamics that have been built up by the game. It's also just, as you said, pretty bad about Leo/need in particular. The crux of the band is that they're together. There's a lot to think about in regards to the way these characters push one another's development or in regards to how they're meant to be similar.
So I agree with you that it waters down the existence of the unit. Don't get me wrong.
As for the "split" in Leo/need, it's moreso they're the "defaults" ... the unit is extremely tightknit and by far the closest in the game. Everyone is childhood best friends, lol. The 4=1 is emphasized. However, in regards to this discussion, Ichisaki and Honashiho are the "split" duos. While it is significantly less important compared to a unit like VBS who lives and breaths and dies by it, 1+2 and 3+4 is still important to Leoni and does in fact still exist.
Ichika and Saki are the "composer/lyricist" of the unit. Songwriters. They have more "prehistory" with the deal of Ichika being the one who stayed by Saki and still visited her in the hospital in MS. Ichika and Saki still had some connection. They are synced so well, they can understand each other to a deep level. Saki composes using her past feelings of pain and isolation, and Ichika wants to understand that same pain and loneliness Saki had, being the person to read Saki's journal during these times. The development one goes through extends to the other's. There is no composition without it's lyrics.
Honami and Shiho are the "rhythm" of the unit. The drummer and the bassist. In contrast to Ichika and Saki being together, Honami and Shiho were alone and isolated, they didn't have anyone else with them. Honami faked her feelings and lived on, and Shiho stowed away on the rooftop. There's the whole deal of "selfishness" "kindness" and "courage" that is displayed especially in Honami's events time in time again, with the buildup ever since main story. It's built entirely on Shiho's words to Honami.
These characters are built as narrative foils. They've lived deeply personal experiences that impact the way they function and think, and the other usually drives this development. On a more minor note, generally events that are focused on a singular pair (see NSNF/Parallel Harmonies or Unwavering) tend to lean into the 1+2/3+4.
I'd also like to add please do not read this as "you're downplaying the other dynamics!" because no, they have plenty of great moments. The purpose of this is to describe the 1+2 and the 3+4.
Shiho's dream drives the rest of Leoni, but especially Ichika in their first arc. Ichika's impulsive side is shown pretty strongly when it comes to Shiho, taking charge to tell Shiho they want to be in a band together in RWY. For something else, take Ichika's Sakura mixed event, where Ichika reflects on Shiho's words to put on a performance that can move someone's heart. This is something that drives Ichika.
On a personal note, Polyneed is probably my second favorite ship overall. I think about them all and their individual dynamics on a day to day basis. I hope this is satisfactory.
You've mentioned that Honami is the best written character in game (I agree absolutely). Which characters also impressed you with their writing? And, if you don't mind me asking, which character you feel is extremely underdeveloped?
I tried to pick two characters each!
I fucking LOVE Shizuku. She is SO GOOD. I've been a huge Shizuku fan ever since I read Color of Myself AGES ago... she is just so earnest and genuine and the core themes of her story being about "staying true to yourself" makes me very happy. I find it criminal how little people talk about her story, like, at all! This is so good and it makes me feel like I'm living in the wrong world lol. To go out on TV, she handled her "reuniting" with Arisa and Cheerful * Days so well. I feel so excited whenever a Shizuku event is announced because I know it has a very real chance of being one of the best in the game.
I deliberated for a bit on who to talk about here (I wrote this character last out of all 4) but I think I'll give it to Rui just because I really wanna talk about him lol. I really enjoy the direction of someone who is uncompromising in their ideals and was isolated by people finding him weird. Rui finding people who will accept him and love him for who he is just means so much to me. He is able to put his full passion into things and people will be right beside him the whole time. It's a good story about acceptance and treating others who are different from you in a positive way. I find his little arcs like the Meiko-Rui side story trilogy or stuff like Kamisports-Kamikou with him making friends and growing accepted into school so simple but beautiful.
I wouldn't say "extremely" personally, but I do think Haruka is sadly one of the lesser developed. I felt like for a long while they didn't really have as much concrete ideas on where to "move her character forward." Some of her better development came from events that aren't even her own (ex: Emu's sports mix is weirdly way better as a Haruka event lol. This kinda only furthers how dire Emu's mixed situation is...)
But, I thought Painful Hope was a pretty good event for moving her in a good direction, and the latest event, Lead to Shine, was very good imo. I think they've finally figured out a role for Haruka in the story and I hope they pounce on this some more by making her role as a producer relevant. It would be kindof insane if they didn't, but I feel like they sometimes fail to utilize some of MMJ's themes well, such as Retie having Ayumi go completely MIA for an entire calendar year with not even a throwaway line or a side story about Airi retying with her.
Another character I'd call on the weaker side is Kohane. I really don't agree with people who clamor for a backstory for her because that would defeat the purpose of Kohane being a character who had nothing for her finding a passion and joy. But I don't think her development has appealed to me as much. She has some great moments (Kohane's solo song, Traits, is really fucking good), but something about her overall growth just... hasn't really clicked with me...? I think it's due to On Your Feet personally, which I felt really disappointed by. IMO OYF didn't move her character in an interesting direction. ORS helps it a bit but it didn't salvage it for me. Her dynamic with An and their growth together as a duo has been superb though, with Kohane feeling proud that she's someone An believes is worthy.
I'd like to add I still really enjoy both of these characters. They are by absolutely zero means "bad" and there is stuff to love about both of them. I love the story in this game and I'm always excited to see what's next. I don't hate anyone at all. I think they're just characters where the cracks have fallen through a bit more. Haruka with some lacking early writing, and Kohane a bit more recent writing. (albeit not like her most recent stuff lol)
This was a pretty cool ask, thank you!! Gave me much to think about and voice some thoughts.
what do you think about miss asahina mafuyu (or the entire family) i'm curious
I'VE CRIED SO HARD AT MASKED SELF AND REELING IN THE LIGHTS. genuinely some of the best events in the game. masked self is such a beautiful climax after the buildup of ena3, kanade3, and of course, mizuki4. Engeki is the perfect commissioned song for it too. I remember when I first heard the full version, it sent chills down my spine. Reeling in the Lights was a great callback to Mirage and the story makes me feel so weepy. I'm so happy that Mafuyu has been making significant progress. She's really blossoming now... the payoff has been worth it. She deserves the world and more.
I'd also like to add that, back then during Masked Self, significant early leaks were a thing. I was given the story for Mafuyu's event a bit early, so I was sitting on that event before everyone else. I was so excited about it...
As for her family... Mafuyu's mom is just so frustrating to watch. They've nailed a good job at making a character that makes me upset to see on screen, or groan upon sight. She evokes strong emotions and that's how to get a good character, I feel.
Meanwhile with Mafuyu's dad, I'm glad he's a pillar of support for Mafuyu, and I've been impressed by his actions and attempts to make serious change. Chapter 8 was brutal and makes me emotional... their bond, though difficult and lacking due to his work life, is important. "No matter what happens, Dad is Mafuyu's ally."
I think they did a good job actually designing the two parents. Mafuyu's mother has a sort of ... venomous(? not sure the right word) look to her while her dad has a more gentle and kind look. I think they really fit each character.
But yeah, I really like Mafuyu and I can't wait to see where she goes from here. I think they've did a good job on Mafuyu particularly lately. Her early stories are nice but the latest ones have restructured my brain.
Being serious though, what would you like WxS's BloomFES cards to be about? Card theme, card stories... whatever you wanna talk about!
okay for your ACTUAL QUESTION...
It's still a bit early to know absolutely everything they intend on doing with BloomFES but from a cursory glance... I'm going to assume they intend on matching one character with another, and have them follow a similar story beat theme. Unfortunately, creativity is not my strong suit. I'll 100% be totally wrong, and as future focuses come out (Nene5 lol) I could see these shifting wildly.
Tsukasa: I think I'd like to see something with Tsukasa where he's really like, proud of how far he's come. I think he should have some pride or revel in those feelings and to be able to affirm himself. With his part of the current three-stage training arc most likely complete, a focus on mind in Filafever and a focus on body in Detective Tenma, I think he's in a really good spot for his skills. Though I'd like him to get one more focus first where he puts these newfound skills to usage so the FES card is more of a continuation after that. As for who could match this, I think a lot of characters could work, but I feel like Airi could be a nice one for lim diversity. Alternatively if the leaders-VS theory is true, it'd be Kaito.
Emu: As for Emu, I'm honestly a bit stumped. I feel like her first FES card sortof already fulfilled the type of thing I'd want for her and more. I love the focus on her family and I love her story having her reunite with Rakunosuke in a way. It was genuinely incredibly moving for me personally. I don't really know what angle they'd take with her next, though. I think I'd like for it to be a bit more chaotic, but in a controlled way. Emu is able to show her perspective now and communicate much more easily. I think her first FES being down to earth and grounded and emotional, while her BloomFES taking this type of approach could be exciting. As for who she could be paired with... I dunno. Mafuyu, maybe? Communication/expression...? It would be a pretty decently sensible pairing though, so maybe they'd avoid it.
Nene: I think I just want to wait for Nene5 here. She hasn't had a unit event since Hakoniwa and a LOT has happened in WxS's plotline, including the arc ender with the answer to the disbandment question, and so far the training plotline hasn't really touched on her like, at all. I think right now, she's an open ocean of ideas. Just don't be a fucking Myst card I will be so upset if it's another Myst lim lmfao. Just don't pair her with Ichika or Akitoya and I'll probably be satisfied... probably.
Rui: I want Rui to have some sort of reference to the Asahi plotline tbh. IDK what else besides that. Some sort of "This may be great, but I want this?" instead? Maybe he could be with Shiho? I think he'll be one of the more interesting BloomFES cards, gut feeling.
Yeah, I recognize my ideas are very vague and minimal, I'm usually not the type to have a strong "desire" or things I really WANT... I'm good at what's there, not what isn't. Sorry if some of these ideas aren't all that well written out. But it's fun to think about Bloomfes--honestly I hadn't even really considered it before now lol.
heya dainn. what are your favorite things about GAY DOGS? be honest (hiding a rock behind my back)
my favorite thing about gay dogs is umm. hm. NOTHING! HA HA HA! but in all seriousness, I want to give you a genuine answer, because I have very little to do on this boring Tuesday morning. so i'll answer both questions lol.
for your answer, it is that I admire your ability to write those long analysis... I find that so cool...! I think I've told you this before but hey, worth reiterating again. I also like just How Much you know. Like, it's a lot! and that's awesome to me. i say it a bunch but a lot of people just don't read or know anything about these characters so seeing someone who is so ingrained deeply in knowledge is like. yes! exactly...!!!! also, you're just fun to talk to. makes me use my brain... i like that. cures the smooth brain I have
Hii Dainn! How are you?
So earlier I read your response to the familial HCs ask and I found it quite interesting. Even though, as you know, I don't particularly like M/F pairings, which includes WxS for various reasons (although I am a firm 1+2 and 3+4 believer for every unit except L/n bc 4=1 duh. but that's not important right now), I thought the Ruinene middle birthday being Tanabata day was pretty interesting. I know the Akitouya middle birthday is the same day that Aun no Beats was released, which could be a coincidence tbh, but considering they covered it, and the song fits them so well, I wonder if it's really a coincidence...? I also wonder if there's other cases of middle birthdays being "special" days
Either way, although I'm not particularly fond of the M/F WxS pairings, but I respect anybody who likes them even if they're not my thing because they do make sense in canon and aren't forced het trash like other M/F pairings (ok sorry i'll leave my hater side aside), I feel like I've been becoming more tolerant (maybe an aggressive word... but I used to dislike them more in the past) because of you and other WxS oomfs. I've also been changing my mind on things related to WxS, too, like the gay Rui headcanon. I realized that my basis for him being gay was pretty much stereotypes (how he looks, how he acts, etc.) + my bias as a gay man (which I don't think is really a bad thing), but I think I changed my mind a bit and am more than fine with a bisexual Rui headcanon, so I don't really have a specific sexuality headcanon for him anymore. Of course, I still think he's gay (not as a sexuality, just that he likes men lol), but I can accept other sexualities now
This last paragraph was kinda unrelated, but it comes from a tweet I saw earlier about bi people and bisexuality being weaponized in pjsktwt when it comes to gay coded / implied characters and people being like "bi people exist!!" when people talk about a character being gay, which I fully agree with; but they used Rui as an example for one of those characters in question and I didn't fully agree with that part lol
Anyways, back to your retrospring response... it was quite nice. While I think sibling headcanons are mostly harmless in theory, I agree that people sort of use them to weaponize(?) pairings that they aren't fond of, and get aggressive over them; I once saw a guy that headcanoned Akitouya as brothers (LOL), but they shipped all of VBS M/F pairings and Akikasa and Touya x Tenma (huge red flags, really. i ran away as fast as i could)
Although those headcanons are harmless if not weaponized, I'm very canonpilled and there's very few I actually like (Shiraishi Akito and Ena are kinda fine, for example, but it's not like I actively think of them), since I don't like altering canon too much and want my headcanons to fit in with the canon. Anyways idk where I was going with this part lol
Lastly. I didn't really think much of their parallels in the past, but Emu and Tsukasa being so family dynamic-based (?) characters, while Nene and Rui are only children is quite interesting to think about. Not to make this about Akitouya, but you already know how I am, I like their family parallels yet contrasting family situations. Akitouya are very contrastful... let's talk about Akitouya eventually /hj
So yeah. Parallels are great. Very nice Retrospring answer, I agree with it and liked it. Have a nice day! 🙂
Hiya Gay Dogs oomf! I'm doing fine... had a very nice sleep, lol.
Totally get that lol. I'm also becoming more of a 12/34 as the days go by. But if you're not Leoni 4=1, why bother? (kidding but. those guys really are all crazy for each other...)
I think Aun being a middle birthday thing is pretty intentional. Considering they went out of their way to add a song for them they can't even release a full version for due to Hanyuu Maigo's rules, to me that suggests they REALLY wanted it. Lining it up on their middle birthday is the cherry on top. Not quite the same since it isn't a half birthday, but the Tenma Three have the 8 day gaps between their birthdays, and 88 is the number of keys on a piano, an important part of their history. So that marks 3 known ones! If anyone who reads this happens to know any interesting trivia about middle birthdays between any notable pairs (or even just birthdays in general, I'd be curious) feel free to send a message.
And definitely not the same, but I do frequently think about 1112 being the full MAS combo for Utsuro... y'know, Akito's birthday number... a song written about partnership, and an event dedicated to that bond.
I agree, I think that's the big difference between WxS m/f. It's literally baked into the unit. Some random het trash pairing (it's okay I'll also hate with you) like some of the stuff we'll see float around on twitter... Some of the things I've seen people say or treat them like tradwives to strong men which is like, wtf?
I mean, can you imagine these pairs working...? I can't, and I doubt you could either. Maybe just me, but I think a lot of people don't really consider like... how far these relationships could or would go.
And that's cool! Yeah the treatment of bi people and bi characters in prsktwt is genuinely crazy. Some people straight up cannot fathom the existence of them and will demean others for believing in stuff like bi Rui (probably the biggest battleground for this topic, lol) while others use them as a "gotcha" to any particularly sapphic girl in the game which pisses me off so much as a bi person. I've had a cishet person argue with me (bi person) because I didn't like bi MINORI hcs. Come on now...
HCing Akitoya as brothers while you ship them with Tsukasa and m/f VBS is a special kind of hilarious. Like you can just TELL that person is malding and is a mega contrarian😭 I'm also very canonpilled, but I can accept some with a strong argument. I can understand stuff like Shiraishi Akito and Ena because of stuff like Ken and Akito's deeper bond than Ken has with Kohane and Toya, so it's even more like a dad and his son, and An and Ena having a convo or two where they literally go "I wish you were my sister" .. I think it's a fun interpretation of canon. It's sortof like a cute "what if?" scenario. I'm certainly not gonna die on this hill though, I don't feel strongly over this one, I just understand where it can come from.
I'm a big fan of parallels too, they're super cool... I like how this game does them quite a lot.
You might be joking, but I'd totally be down to discuss Akitoya some more with you. I'm only sorta articulate and you probably can say things more thoughtfully than me, but I really like their stories together, but I'm a huge Toya fan at heart... I love that guy more than I let on.
And you too, have a nice day...! Or well, night, you're most certainly asleep by the time I post this one...
Sorry if this is a personal question, is there any specific reasons you feel comfortable with divulging why you don’t like WxS familial headcanons?
That's fair to ask, don't worry!
I won't talk about All of it because some of it really is just my own personal upbringing to me specifically and my own life that probably shouldn't be aired too publicly on a public twitter account, but I can talk about half of it. Thank you for approaching respectfully and not calling me a slur lmfao. (Had a previous ask call me one earlier today.)
I'd like to once again state this is my personal views, I think some people will be the way they are. I don't really see my mind changing on this subject and I'm aware many others won't change as well.
For some of it, a lot of WxS familial stuff tends to just be tied deeply within shipping discourse. I don't like that at all and a lot of the ones I've seen related to WxS are often in that same vein where people will call whatever pairings they're not big on familial as a sort of "gotcha". I've been in this fandom for a very long time (over 3 years) and I've seen people sent death threats, rape threats, and various insults to others over not liking WxS familial stuff. Last year in particular a friend of mine was harassed for being an "incest shipper" because they liked Nenekasa. People cited Childish War, a cover where it's pretty blatant they're... narrating a play. Nene starts off the script introducing it, and the two join in only when it's convenient in the 3DMV (which is basically why the line dist is kindof awkward, lol.) This stuff bothers me and as such, it's developed a "bad association" to begin with.
More importantly to the HC themselves, I think it's just such a strange way of seeing WxS's dynamics. I guess I could accept "the whole unit" as a found family sort of thing with four weirdos who found a place in each other, but individually any dynamic being seen as familial rubs me the wrong way.
I think an important part of WxS's stories is their very own canonical familial dynamics. Tsukasa has Saki and Toya and how he wants to be a reliable older brother as a core part of his character, something he doesn't shut up about. It's what his FES card is based on for god's sake :sob: Tsukasa seeing Saki and Toya as part of his family is such a crux of his character that adding anyone else just feels deeply wrong to me in a way I don't like.
Emu's relationship with her family has been drilled in with the story over and over just like Tsukasa. Her grandfather who she mourns and respects drives her story, her siblings who each have their own relations with Emu and the way they bond with her. Keisuke is a bit partial to Emu and lenient, Shosuke is a bit of a tsundere, and Hinata is gentle and reassuring. Emu treasures all of them greatly.
I've seen some occasional people cite stuff like Emu saying Tsukasa is like her grandfather (end of ch8 PIMH), but it's about how the two have the same dream--for everyone around the world to smile. Toya does something similar (WED1 ch6) where he compares Rui's way of thinking of "giving no quarter and taking no compromise" to his father, but does anyone actually see Rui and Toya familial? Maybe someone out there does, but I've never seen it.
For Nene and Rui, I think the fact they're only children and don't have a type of sibling connection adds to their character as well.
In story, it's pretty reiterated whenever the topic of "family" comes up (usually prompted by Emu of course) that they're all separate and have lived different in every sense. Everyone has their own family.
I'd like to add that the Nene and Rui's middle birthday is intentionally Tanabata, a Japanese holiday about two lovers who were forced apart for a time period and are able to reunite... sound familiar?
Basically, I think the way the familial dynamics contribute to the game sortof makes it often... bizarre to alter them. It doesn't really fit these characters stories or dynamics. It often makes some of their canon strange, and I'm someone who reads every story in the game and thinks very deeply and fondly of these characters.
Once again, a final time this is my personal views, and thank you for being respectful once more. Have a nice day!
I agree sm with ur mixed event thread it honestly just goes to show people don't read them if anything, theres so many things that can't be done in normal unit events that are actually really important for the characters. like all the school stuff with rui could never fit into the main unit stories when its SO important for his character to see him develop his relationships at school and partake in life more actively, finally getting to enjoy his youth.
And like you said some are vital to the plot like twilight parade literally lead into one of leonis most important events to date and its a mixed..? There is no way you can disregard an event like that as hardly important just because its a mixed
and even if they are just silly.....why would you not want to see your favs just have fun for once and build their friendships outside of the unit? We rarely get to see such things in the unit events because its mostly just consistently working towards their goals, which is expected and why mixeds are so great for a break from that.. Lets study hard was one of the events that i enjoyed reading the most!! both types of stories are equally rewarding to me so it bugs me when people disregard them as well. Sorry for the ramble I just barely see people hold the same opinion as me on that
i'm glad to see more people who appreciate some of these. one of my all time favorite stories from the game is shizuku's archery mixed with mafuyu. I love that one to death and I think it's a really great story people sleep on for one reason or another
admittedly reading this has made me think of more events i wish i talked about LOL. rui's growth in particular is so strong in mixed events, as someone who was an outcast who found people who would accept him (from nene to mizuki to later wxs as a whole) to being able to be accepted by the school/his peers in events such as cheer squad... to recognize that he's come a long way and is able to make new good friends who are like him in pandemonium thanks to his own efforts. it's a really good story point that you'd just miss entirely if you're stubborn about ignoring these lol
yeah i agree with you! even if some aren't all great in depth masterpieces of story or whatever.. it's good to have the occasional event like honami's best summer event. it's a cute little thing to develop relationships between characters especially cross unit/show stuff that wouldn't fit in a full event. another good event for stuff like this is the best picture shot, kohane's valentine's event. there's just so much good content and They Are Undeniably Focuses that i think it's strange people tend to ignore lol
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