hi nessie, I know you said the next time the monthly top/bottom discourse comes around we should all ignore it, and I agree but also want to share my 2 cents which is why I ask that you don’t post this to twitter to keep the debate off of there.

you had an anon a while back who brought up how when posts citing misogynistic, stereotypical reasoning for bttm jsvng are criticized, the argument is that ‘you’re only saying this offensive thing is offensive bc you like bottom mnho!’ in that reply you mentioned how being feminine and a bottom shouldn't be something to be ashamed of, and that the idea that that’s the only reason people like bttm jsvg is overused. I agree with both because while yes, it’s only a loud majority of tone deaf fans who actually enjoy and go on about babygirl jsvng, they’re still loud and have become the “face” of bttm jsvng fans.

however, bttm mnho fans are then an extremely loud minority who yes, are, in fact, also guilty of perpetuating misogynistic stereotypes. as much as I dislike seeing hyperfeminized ali hazelwood mc jsvng, I also hate seeing how there is not a single bttm mnho fic or account (disclaimer, at least to my knowledge as someone who scrounges the tag constantly) that portrays him as anything other than the seductive femme fatale who gives jsvng the ride of his life, or a shy, pretty boy with a bubble butt who’s bratty and whiney and needs to be put in place by jsvng, or sassy a queen teaching straight boy jsvng the wonders of a tight ass. and it’s arguably worse because it’s not limited to mnsng fic only, he’s portrayed like this in the majority of mnho ships. at least jsvng can top and isn’t limited to babygirl bttm with his other ships, but mnho? he gets this all the time, if we want to compare what’s actually more popular or not.

they’re also much louder considering the fact that yes, bttm jsvng may be more popular with mnsungers or on twitter or tiktok, but the most popular and recommended fics are all bttm mnho fics who write him this way (perhaps with two more personality traits beyond being a sexy piece of ass, which isn’t a step up, but which I know is their argument for why they’re ~different). the most popular bttm mnho fic literally has the tags sub bttm mnho and straight fuckboy jsvng, and every other one follows that pattern in some form. oh, but bttm mnho writers are all actually switch writers and look at the one (1) obligatory bttm jsvng fic where he even wore a skirtt! surely this means the misogynistic bttm mnho fics are free from criticism! sorry, but the advocacy for switching doesn’t address the actual issue, which is that whoever bottoms is getting written in a misogynistic, ooc manner. and yes, mnho is written like this too.

so yeah, there are issues with both sides, definitely, but being a fan of the less popular view when your “side” is behaving the same way, only with different genres of misogynistic bottom trope, doesn’t mean you’re the poor victims in this. if anything, the victims are mnsvng being portrayed both of these ways. disclaimer again, i’m sure there are normal people on both sides, but if we want to talk about the vocal, annoying majority of feminized jsvng fans, then we should also discuss the few but just as vocal and annoying bttm mnho fans.

Your message says “I hope you are happy today” but I want to say I hope YOU are happy today too! You just really seem like a dope person who makes me laugh seeing you enjoy all these kinds of things openly that I love too and it’s just so fun so I hope you are happy and smiling and I just wanted you to know that and here have some songs because it’s been a while since I sent you some and you seemed to like them last time not like you need them for writing just cuz I feel like sharing them since these songs have made me happy lately so I want to share them with you okay I’m done rambling byyeeeee (Girl - Alexander 23, High - Seori, Fall In Love Alone - Stacey Ryan, The Dragon Song - The Crane feat OZI)

mnh seeing jsng in a train station waiting while he (mnh) is on the train once, thinking "oh he's cute. i'd hit that" only to see him again months after in the same scenario. he thinks he looks even more beautiful than before but doesnt have the courage to get out and actually ask jsng for his number. but mnh swears if he sees him a third time he will get out and bag the pretty boy in the train station.
but when he goes out to the bar with his friends a few weeks later, a cute boy, with squirrel like cheeks and big round eye approaches him. mnh recognizes him immediately, having spent way too much commiting his face to memory, and goes back home with him.
fast forward a few months into their loving relationship, mnh tells him:
"you know, i've seen you before twice. in the train station, waiting. i never got the courage to come and talk to you in person though"
and jsng smiles and tells him
"i know. i always saw you staring. i promised myself the third time i saw you i would finally talk to you."
and then kisses mnh silly🩷