anonie · 15d
hi nessie, I know you said the next time the monthly top/bottom discourse comes around we should all ignore it, and I agree but also want to share my 2 cents which is why I ask that you don’t post this to twitter to keep the debate off of there.
you had an anon a while back who brought up how when posts citing misogynistic, stereotypical reasoning for bttm jsvng are criticized, the argument is that ‘you’re only saying this offensive thing is offensive bc you like bottom mnho!’ in that reply you mentioned how being feminine and a bottom shouldn't be something to be ashamed of, and that the idea that that’s the only reason people like bttm jsvg is overused. I agree with both because while yes, it’s only a loud majority of tone deaf fans who actually enjoy and go on about babygirl jsvng, they’re still loud and have become the “face” of bttm jsvng fans.
however, bttm mnho fans are then an extremely loud minority who yes, are, in fact, also guilty of perpetuating misogynistic stereotypes. as much as I dislike seeing hyperfeminized ali hazelwood mc jsvng, I also hate seeing how there is not a single bttm mnho fic or account (disclaimer, at least to my knowledge as someone who scrounges the tag constantly) that portrays him as anything other than the seductive femme fatale who gives jsvng the ride of his life, or a shy, pretty boy with a bubble butt who’s bratty and whiney and needs to be put in place by jsvng, or sassy a queen teaching straight boy jsvng the wonders of a tight ass. and it’s arguably worse because it’s not limited to mnsng fic only, he’s portrayed like this in the majority of mnho ships. at least jsvng can top and isn’t limited to babygirl bttm with his other ships, but mnho? he gets this all the time, if we want to compare what’s actually more popular or not.
they’re also much louder considering the fact that yes, bttm jsvng may be more popular with mnsungers or on twitter or tiktok, but the most popular and recommended fics are all bttm mnho fics who write him this way (perhaps with two more personality traits beyond being a sexy piece of ass, which isn’t a step up, but which I know is their argument for why they’re ~different). the most popular bttm mnho fic literally has the tags sub bttm mnho and straight fuckboy jsvng, and every other one follows that pattern in some form. oh, but bttm mnho writers are all actually switch writers and look at the one (1) obligatory bttm jsvng fic where he even wore a skirtt! surely this means the misogynistic bttm mnho fics are free from criticism! sorry, but the advocacy for switching doesn’t address the actual issue, which is that whoever bottoms is getting written in a misogynistic, ooc manner. and yes, mnho is written like this too.
so yeah, there are issues with both sides, definitely, but being a fan of the less popular view when your “side” is behaving the same way, only with different genres of misogynistic bottom trope, doesn’t mean you’re the poor victims in this. if anything, the victims are mnsvng being portrayed both of these ways. disclaimer again, i’m sure there are normal people on both sides, but if we want to talk about the vocal, annoying majority of feminized jsvng fans, then we should also discuss the few but just as vocal and annoying bttm mnho fans.
hi darling!!! sorry if my response isn’t as well thought out as yours (12 hour shift today so my brain is the tiniest bit fried rn) but i read all of this very thoroughly (i think part of me does enjoy (? not the right word) having discussions about discourse and stuff because i think it is fun to see differenct sides of the argument, while also realizing that it doesn’t have to be taken that deeply (i dearly hope im making sense… im not saying i like discourse i just like thought provoking conversations LOL).
i didn’t think about this side of it because (truthfully) i haven’t read much bttm minho fics personally bc it is not my cup of tea so i was never aware that it seemed that they did the same-ish with minho as they do jisung. i always feel that it is most important to remember that these are real people we are talking about, and feminization isn’t a terrible thing because it’s not wrong to be feminine but at the same time it does end up making them more of… ? what can i call this? more of a stereotype/character/one dimensional (NOT SAYING TO HATE ON ANYONE’S WRITING). i think we all (including myself) could take a moment to step back and try and make it less about the positions they are in and more about how they can be portrayed correctly (god i feel like im not making sense at all) (i feel like bad for saying one dimensional because a lot of people have very indepth character studies of members and a lot of them are amazing. and even having one dimensional characters could mean that there is just more room for growth, and not that it is bad) BUT GOD YES. i literally priv tweeted about how based u are because i read all of this and was like damn…. They are so right and i never thought about it in that way.
anyways i hope my response was thoughtful (and made sense) especially since you have taken your precious time (slash srs ik that sounds like sarcastic but i mean Seriously) to talk to me
about something like this and to send it to my inbox! it’s so nice to see different opinions while also being as articulate as you are, and not trying to make it seem to blame on One group!!! it is refreshing and i wish to learn to have this kind of ummmm what is it
called… conversational skills (i am butchering this LOLAJDKENSJ) anyways cheers to you <3 i hope you have a lovely day hehe
(ps, of course with your wishes this isn’t going on twitter and if you want me to delete it from RS let me know! thank you for your time <3)
