Do u think the reason Rodya was the one like 'don't get him to repeat himself' (paraphrased) about Vergie at the start of Canto 6 was because she's gone through something similar. Y'know with the whole hiding away their feelings and putting on a demeanor to keep others at arms length whilst they stew in their guilt over their own actions thing? I feel her being willing to bring the mood down more recently is a reflection/inversion of Vergie bringing it up (in his way). Being more honest abt herself. Anyways