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Yeah Haikaveh really poisoned the well and started the era where it was fine to bully and harass people over not seeing the "obvious canon implied ships" and I'm bitter about that. That's why people now feel they need canon authority to be able to ship anything, because it became acceptable to bully people for not shipping the "canon" ships. This is also the result of homophobia in fandom and where people believe they need ships to be canon in order to enjoy it, like it has to be representation, because if it's not representation then its fetishizing or queerbait. And they locked themselves into this rigid system and literally can't see any other form of enjoyment so you need to be on the "winning team".
Which makes it uniquely bad when they assume because it's Chinese and because censorship exists, they can claim anything without being corrected either. It's almost like some form of exoticism? Most Western people treat Chinese people like zoo animals and even use instances of people suffering to be racist or act like white saviors which is probably where the "I'm defending lgbt in China by talking about Hoyo game ships" attitude comes from. To which I want to say it's more like gacha in Japan. Japanese games will also pander to both bl/gl ships but not confirm anything because they want to please people who ship different ships and they want to please the self shippers. But people refuse to understand that it's because of gacha, and because they have no interest in learning about other CN media to see how writers skirt things around censors. Sorry to go off but I hated how this fandom became and very few people seem to speak up about it - and some of the ones who are loud about no ships being canon are the actual homophobes who I don't want to side with or talk to either.
yeah pretty much. you've summed up my thoughts pretty well, and the most recent thing about tiktok getting banned in the us and everyone jumping to xhs encapsulates that entire attitude of like china being treated as this mystical "other" land or something. it's really tiring, tbh. we really cannot be normal about east asian media and especially chinese media, huh.
i don't really have much else to say. what else is there to say? i'm bitter and frustrated, but like i'm only one person, and chinese at that. it's really hard being of chinese descent in a hoyo/danmei fandom bc it's such a double edged sword: if you have some knowledge about the historical & cultural context that these media are created under, people expect you to be an expert and will tear you to shreds if you get anything even slightly wrong. meanwhile non-chinese-speaking people will pull shit out of their ass with only a cursory google/wikipedia search and double down when informed that they are wrong. and people rush to defend them! it's immensely frustrating seeing people whose first exposure to chinese culture & history be through a gacha game or a danmei webnovel act like they're experts on this. meanwhile chinese diaspora struggle to reconnect with their heritage and learn chinese again.
but oh well. it is what it is, there's not much else to say about it.
I think being their first exposure to Chinese media and their first gacha is why there's so much obsession with seeing coding and fighting over canon ships instead of getting that nothing will be canon. They think because it's Chinese only gov censorship is why ships aren't canon, and not the whole "gacha capitalism" part. It can't be compared to danmei because it's literally not danmei where the writer goes in writing a main couple, it's a gacha about selling multiple characters and therefore trying to please several groups.
But it's also people wanting to control what others can and can't ship, so I noticed this shift in nastiness right around Sumeru where just not shipping the "canon" ship would get people harassed. It wasn't even about the pretense of morality now, people will just get harassed for not shipping whatever is considered canon "implied" based on some twitter user's say so. It's like an entire group of TJLC (if you remember Voltron you probably remember that too, I'm also a tumblr vet)
for sure, people like to make so many comparisons between hoyo ships and danmei, especially with hsr jingrenheng, as they are all from the xianzhou luofu aka space china... but like. danmei just means "boys love" in chinese. it's just a genre of webnovel. it's all inherently, explicitly romantic BECAUSE THATS THE ENTIRE GENRE. hoyoverse games are an entirely different medium and thus are not comparable.
the genshin -> tgcf pipeline has absolutely poisoned the well because people conflate "danmei" with "xianxia" even more so now and also use danmei as like a point of reference for ALL chinese media when... danmei IN CHINA ITSELF is considered niche and weird and honestly illegal/dangerous. authors can and do still get arrested for writing it.
also for sure about the social control aspect too, i mean that's why all the daily/hourly/whatever gimmick accounts are so dogshit. people compete to be the first to make those because they just want to dictate how the character/ship is interpreted. the shift in genshin fandom specifically when sumeru dropped was bc of haikaveh specifically (i love them dearly but also. yeah.) and then it just carried over to hsr bc the same people jumped ship.
ayyy fellow tumblr vet, i wasn't ever actually in voltron fandom but i was in an adjacent one at the time (steven universe) and i was watching all the shit happen from the sidelines, so i'm not actually familiar with the term TJLC but i assume it was the "anti" group
In general I HATE what hoyo twitter has become, both genshin and hsr yaoi with the same fights and discourse. I don't know why its so bad in canons that are prime for exploration and multishipping but maybe its this platform or the game or both that just makes people act like this. It makes me sad it's like this.
oh anon it's always been like this with genshin and hsr. it was doomed from the start :')
as for why hoyo specifically, i have a 6 point theory on how this came to be ahahaHA...
1) genshin launched in sept 2020, aka during covid lockdown, aka everyone was cooped up at home and stuck with going online for their social needs
2) it's a lot of people's first fandom
3) it's a lot of people's first gacha game
4) it's a lot of people's first in-depth exposure to east asian media and chinese media specifically
5) the fanbase skews younger
6) it started on twitter. enough said.
the proship/anti nonsense and other trends in fandom behaviors had been going on for a few years at that point (coughs in voltron) but genshin really catapulted fandom into the mainstream. large numbers of new people were joining who had zero experience with fandom before, especially younger people, and bc of the way twitter is, they didn't get the same exposure to previous fandom norms about like shipping or interacting with other fans, etc. and now we have the worst toxic cesspit of a fandom you will ever encounter.
i started playing genshin dec 2020, 3 months after launch, and the fandom already had a Reputation by that point. and honestly genshin is patient zero much like voltron is, in that any and all hoyoverse titles going forward will become equally bad if not worse because people keep jumping ship from game to game.
and yeah, it's really unfortunate. despite hoyo's issues with character design and the inherent predatory nature of a gacha system, they still do make genuinely good games and people enjoy them for a reason. i still love hsr dearly, but i just can't deal with the fans anymore.
Sad to see you're leaving hsr, you were one of the few people I respected for not getting into ship discourse and respecting all the characters. I'm sorry this fandom ruined your enjoyment, your work is so good.
hi anon! thank you so much for supporting me the past year and a half, it means a lot to me!! i'm sad to say goodbye too, but i really think hsr isn't a place for me anymore. i love jrh dearly and always will and i'm glad for all the people i've met through hsr, but they've also caused me a lot of pain and these days i can barely make myself write anything.
about ship discourse... for the most part i don't talk about it on main besides some vague references to it, but oh man my priv is absolute rage AHAHA it's just so aneurysm inducing bc it's the same shit over and over again.
but enough negativity :') i'm glad you enjoyed my works!! i will not be taking them down because i really did enjoy making them, but i will no longer be updating any multichapter works or posting new things. there are two things i want to finish (rewrite of street racing au pt 1 & jy yearning hrs fic) but otherwise i think i am moving on towards clearer skies. thanks for being here, and hope you'll stick around!! <3
Hello!! I've found you while browsing jrh tag and passersby was a joy to read. and the fic with hengren fucking on jy's desk changed me as person. truly delicious and interesting stuff, thank u for writing it!!
But your pinned is really Speaking to me. As someone who distanced themselves from all hoyo fandoms but still has interest in what is happening with the characters and what's up with the story, hsr specifically, I truly understand where you're coming from. I got from hsr some of my favorite characters across any media and worldbuilding that still compels me, from gi some truly fascinating experience bc I'm a sucker for wq but. there is absolutely no way I'm participating in fandom outside of fics and even that so much I just didn't post or post on anonymous. I hope that if you next interest be fandom it would be better one <3
hi anon! thank u so much for your ask 🫶🏻 it means a lot to me!! and holy fuck THE HENGREN FIC IS SO OLD I'M SO EMBARRASSED ABOUT IT AJGSDKLGJL I'M HAPPY YOU ENJOYED IT THOUGH. and yeah me and you both 🤝 about leaving hoyo fandoms. i was never far enough into genshin fandom to really experience the worsts of it but hsr is the first fandom that i was so intertwined with, both creatively in terms of fic but also with making friends online, so i'm really sad that i have to say goodbye like this. but thank you for your continued support and i appreciate u!!
hiya, what's your stance on jy/yq? /gen, not trying to initiate discourse - i want to know if i can send you a hc c:
do you have any fav nsfw hcs?? Abt any ship
oooohhhh good question!! hehehe gremlin cackles
i think jing yuan is a bit of a brat in bed, it lets him stop thinking and feel younger and less like a weary old man. he mostly does this with blade regardless of who tops lmao and blade falls for it every time bc it also helps him feel more human and less like an abomination. with dan heng i think jing yuan would wait a bit until they're more settled in the relationship before he starts letting this side of him show. ALSO a hc that my friends made that i rly like was that jing yuan is absolutely a pillow princess and falls asleep if he bottoms so dh and blade have to force him to top LMAOOO
blade and dh either have the most nasty disrespectful kinky sex or they are cuddling. there is no in between 😂 /hj lmaooo sometimes blade needs to vent his more destructive tendencies and sometimes he just needs someone else to take control and wants to suffer. dh is more likely to oblige than jy, so when blade's mara flares up he tends to seek out dh
also something something blade & jing yuan thighfucking. HAVE U SEEN THEM???? BRO. dh loves their thighs JGKLSJLKS
thoughts on selfcest? Esp yingren and fengheng
hi anon! tbh i never really thought about selfcest before getting into hsr and in my early days i didn't really care for it much? but then ichor of two dragons came out and dan feng's design got revealed and i read some rly good fics and so i was like, ok i can be convinced bc i think of dan feng and dan heng as separate entities (its more complicated than that but ykwim) and then later i read yingren fics by a friend and was like ok.... i can be convinced.
so i do actually enjoy yingren and fengheng!! yingren is really interesting bc as we know yingxing has been called arrogant multiple times, and it was that hubris that led to his involvement in the sedition with dan feng (and whatever the fuck they did bc hoyo REFUSES TO TELL US), so i wonder how ren feels about his former self? does he hate him? does he resent who he used to be? or does he pity him? this is a question that is also very personal to me bc i self-reflect on my own life a little too much sjgklsds
fengheng i see a lot of nasty smut for, which is completely understandable (bc instead of one dragon twink now we have TWO dragon twinks!) and i do enjoy that sometimes but i think there's also a lot of potential for like different relationship dynamics that could happen. bc dan heng was reborn and then forcefully injected with dan feng's memories, so he knows those do not belong to him.
-- OKAY HELP I WAS ANSWERING YOUR ASK THEN I REALIZED THE THING ABOVE ABOUT DH BEING INJECTED WITH DF MEMORIES AND THEN I MESSAGED MY JRH SERVER ABT THIS REALIZATION AND THEN WE GOT COMPLETELY SIDTRACKED TALKING AND THEN SOMEHOW ENDED UP AT DEVELOPMENTAL PSYCHOLOGY ASGJKLSDJL
Thoughts on YanRen? It’s a rarepair but after the Jingliu/Yanqing parallels and Ren being triggered by it would make an interesting dynamic
WAIT THAT EXISTS???? holy shit what. i’m ngl though the only two yanqing ships that i enjoy are with yunli or jing yuan (and fixed yanjing. my one and only fixed ship)
BUT HONESTLY I FEEL LIKE BLADE WOULD SEE HIMSELF IN YANQING ?? the like drive to prove himself and the arrogance of being the best from his yingxing days. a lot of interesting potential there (for me not in a romantic way but maybe for you it is lol)
ALSO bc you brought up jingliu i have to mention now: i have a like modern au version of jingliu training blade via stabbing him on the back burner. aka my jingliu/blade toxic bdsm sex fic. blame alyssa for that one bc we were talking about the fact that blade moans when he gets hit in cn dub and like his character stories in the jrh server and then alyssa was like “all i’m saying is that a modern au version would be her pegging him.” and then a lightbulb went off in my head and now i have 500 words of this monstrosity. this is also not romantic. this is purely in a sexual way BECAUSE I THINK ITS FUN AND INTERESTING. the basic premise of this is like self flagellation for both of them. anyways that’ll get finished… eventually……
TY FOR THE ASK THOUGH. I LIKE THINKING ABOUT CHARACTER RELATIONSHIPS.
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i wanted to know your opinion on jingluo bc i also have this hc that ren hates hates /hates/ luocha for making jing yuan reek of the abundance. ren insists that they do not belong anymore, not like they used to at least, and that their encounters, however passionate and emotional, do not equal a relationship. jing yuan is free to meet with whoever he wishes and ren doesn't get jealous (in theory). he also doesn't get to ask about said meetings, but then again he doesn't really need to, seeing as he can smell the bastard all over jing yuan. out of luocha's transgressions - collaborating with jingliu, bringing the stellaron onto the luofu, being yaoshi's emanator - scenting jing yuan with his abundance-cursed pheromones is the greatest sin of all, because this is the one mark ren cannot erase with his own bites and scratches. moreover, it's just really fucking unfair that luocha gets to smell like flowers, grass and whatnot, while ren is doomed to be eternally followed by the stench of blood and decay. so yeah. ren does NOT like luocha at all. for the record - it's not even omegaverse, i just believe you can smell luocha before you see him. like, the only omega in a world where secondary gender doesn't exist. most people consider his scent quite pleasant, but ren has his reasons to despise it
YEAHHHHH omg. yingxing who once swore revenge on the abundance who is now infected with the power of abundance, and yet luocha has taken his place?? by jing yuan's side???
also idk if spider lilies have a scent but like both ren and luocha just like. leave behind flowers everywhere they go and OOOOH the contrast between them bc ren absolutely hates it and luocha is like okay with it... one signifies death and the other life... YESSS
this is such a fun headcanon though, being able to smell luocha before you see him. idk exactly what kind of flower he holds in his idle animation but YEAHHH intriguing
also 1.4 jingliu companion quest ren was ABSOLUTELY JEALOUS LMFAO i don't have a recording of it saved but i need to find one on bilibili and watch it again BECAUSE LUOCHA SOUNDED SO FLIRTY AND WHEN REN INTERRUPTED IT WAS SO FUNNY SJKSDL
honestly i am also a minor luoren fan bc like. why does luocha have a voiceline when you add him to a team with blade, and why is it "shame. i can't give you the burial that you seek." LIKE??? DID HE LEARN ABOUT THIS FROM JINGLIU?? WHATS THE CONTEXT OF THIS??? so basically, i think jing yuan, luocha, and ren should all hatefuck each other. thank u for coming to my ted talk.
ohhh, what i would give that fanart!! emanator of the hunt x emanator of the abundance go brrr. anyway,,,
thoughts on jingluo?
INTERESTING DYNAMIC TBH that four star light cone is so :eyes_emoji: because like jing yuan's been aware of luocha for a while, but unsure of what his real motives are... and luocha is a repeat visitor of the luofu, so it's very curious what jing yuan already knows.
and then that 1.3 cutscene!! very sexy hahaha jing yuan youre so sexy when you're mad ;)
also 1.4 jingliu companion quest luocha's voice sounds so flirty for no reason. listen zhao lu i know you voice a lot of otome games but please omg
also just like the inherent angst of like jing yuan who is one of lan's arrows, and luocha who holds the power of abundance coming together like that. i once saw a fanart that was like NSFW WARNING where jy is fucking luocha and luocha is desperately whispering under his breath and clutching his necklace and jing yuan is like, "praying to your god? interesting" and OOOOH THAT MADE THE BRAINWORMS LIGHT UP. ahem. anyways. children avert ye eyes
overall i think the kind of battle of wits could be really cool!! ty for asking, anon
jy the glue between dh and ren. they wouldn't reconcile without him and most probably will go their separate ways after his death. with jy's soft smiles and gentle affections haunting them for the rest of their lives
YELLING SDHJGKSD omg anon you're brutal. but truly... dan heng and ren have loved each other, hated each other, and now are ??? about each other.... and like it's hard to wipe away the long history between them, the betrayals and lies, that even though they may have accepted each other's existence, it can't go back to the way it was before...
and jing yuan is like "can you get along? for me?" while giving them the saddest pleading eyes omg and they're like... ok, fine (dan heng agrees almost immediately. blade closes his eyes and desperately chokes out a "yes"). and like over the years, they come to care for each other again, perhaps affection... because jing yuan waited for them!! he was always there!!! in fact it's been so long that they really can't imagine a luofu without jing yuan now.
but their time has always been too short, and oh, jing yuan knows that so painfully. he's happy they came back to see him, but the flutter of mara in his head, the memories that he's worked so long to suppress, they come tumbling back to the surface when he sees dan heng play with his finches, and blade practicing in the courtyard. and he sees flashes of the people they used to be overlaid their present selves. and then it gets worse. he hears their voices when they aren't there. he can't differentiate between dream and memory and reality. he needs to be touched a lot to ground him in reality. and then...
he becomes fully marastruck, but not violently. rather, he calls for blade and dan heng, and they hold him, and slowly gingko leaves grow and grow until they are only clutching empty air and leaves, fluttering away in the wind and his ribbon slowly drifting to the ground.
blade takes starfall reverie with him and dan heng takes the ribbon and returns to the astral express, and both of them think they can keep going as they used to live, but now...
the archives room is too cold now. dan heng tosses and turns, feeling the phantom warmth of arms around him and feeling safe.
blade throws himself into slaying abominations but he's forgotten what it was like to fight solo, without jing yuan covering his back. he keeps feeling the prickle of lightning behind him and turns to find no one.
ok anyways this got too long ty anon you're brutal and you made me sad and then i made myself even sadder. this is a beautiful idea ty for sharing!!!
established jr + pre-jrh hc!! when ren feels agitated (but not like, full-on episode, just some every day edge that he needs to take off), he braids jing yuan's hair to calm down. no thoughts head empty just his beloved and his soft, thick mane that yields to his shaking hands, proving that they're not completely useless and they're still capable of gentleness. jing yuan of course doesn't mind; he's glad to be of help (and the caresses feel good, too. full of love and devotion). and dan heng - well, he's kind of baffled the first time he sees them like that. this ren is too silent, too peaceful. he doesn't try to attack dan heng the moment he enters the room; in fact, he doesn't spare him a glance, engrossed in the task on his hands. as for jing yuan - while his calmness is rather a given, dan heng still can't believe the general would let someone as dangerous as ren this close, entrusting him his back so easily. the scene before him is unexpected and slightly troubling, but, at the same time, domestic. his heart flutters and dan heng once again finds himself yearning for things that he can't have (he can; he just doesn't know it yet)
aaaaAAAAAAAA dan heng seeing blade's gentle side for the first time.... like genuinely blade is so kind still when he's not marastruck (have u seen that one chart that someone made of like "insanity of blade" vs "proximity to dh" LMAO i can't find it again but ITS OUT THERE SOMEWHERE)
but anyways omg do you think ren ever gets like frustrated when his hands won't do what he wants and the braid comes out uneven and lopsided and jing yuan just like takes his hands and presses gentle kisses all over them bc to him even though blade has become this, he's still the same gentle soul that was once yingxing and jing yuan cherishes what he can create, even though his hands have become scarred and disfigured...
and dan heng is like, "this is so familiar... but are these feelings my own? or are they remnants of dan feng's ghost living in me??" and he wrestles with that for a long time until he eventually figures out that, yes, he would like to get to know the jing yuan and ren of the present..... thank u anon ;-; this is so cute and tender and i love it so much
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