Loyal Vassal · 1mo
do you ever get to a point where you just…genuinely don’t understand why ppl are against noncon? there’s some discourse going on today that I unfortunately saw about yuri stuff. It started out with critiquing the argument about noncon being okay for yuri and yaoi but not for het, and that there was little difference—which I agree with (noncon all the way), and then segued into this weird argument that they were weird for liking it and that ‘normal people’ who are against rape irl would think that they’re weird, implying that someone with a fantasy is somehow not against IRL rape. it feels weird, as someone who’s written a few noncon fics in my day, that some people can’t swallow the fact that noncon is one of the most popular ‘extreme’ fetishes out there, and will go through hoops to harass people who simply make content based off of it and moralize against it…and it feels like this pushback is growing, or perhaps just becoming more visible. it’s almost like they can’t separate their personal disgust from reality? anywayz sorry for venting just something I noticed + slightly disturbed me as a yuri reipu author
I used to be one of Those People years ago so I understand the emotions and mindset, I just obviously disagree with it and find the conclusions and implications of that mindset flawed and undesirable.
It sucks that it's just harder to idk, be separate from "Normie" spaces in the internet these days, it's too easy for art out of context to get picked up and noticed by tons of people who will then go on to spread it for the sake of announcing their Disgust, which is not conducive to art. I think disgust and being grossed out by things is fine, it's just not necessarily going to be logical or moral.
The reasoning that's hard to get past is the "But How Will This Affect your SOUL" in a Christian Corruption way. The argument is usually about "society as a whole" but if u look carefully at the way a lot of people tend to word their talk about such things, it's clear that there's a fear of people's Souls being damaged ("porn addicted/rotted" and such language), and that inherent damage affecting their decisions and actions irl.
The implication is that if Everyone Could Be Disciplined about your Icky Fetishes and Tastes and walks back onto the straight and narrow, or, if you can't fix yourself, at least Feel Appropriately Ashamed, we can correct the deeply engrained inequality and misogyny of the world we live in. Which as I and others have talked about many a time, is putting the cart very much before the horse and is ignorant of how humans and media actually function lol. Also like u say noncon is VERY common of a fantasy lol, even in more "mild" kinks the implication is there in the background, even if softened. I think some of the kinky artists/people who enjoy idk the aesthetic or use of handcuffs/bondage, restraints etc or art where it looks like one person is intimidating the other sexily but who are """uncomfy""" with an Obviously Pretend rape fetish that actually uses the word is like.... Bro the language is just a hop and a skip away XD (not to mention the radfem posters who will see anything that has the "aesthetic" of violence and be like "well this is CLEARLY Rape in Real Life!!" It's all the same to that conservative surface mind)
For ex the people who enjoy Yuri/yaoi/femdom noncon but not m/f maledom or vice versa that's fine and there's a LOT of reasons why those preferences would exist. The point is in fiction sphere it's all fake, it's Artifice that we take from real life and then transform into works and Fun but that doesn't mean we won't have various individual different Relationships to it.
