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I‘m currently rereading ATOTT on my kindle and got to Okumura’s palace when Goro stole Ren’s phone and I wonder what would have happened if Ren didn’t take care of Okumura’s shadow in Mementos, if Goro would have had the opportunity to go to Shido’s palace and remain there? Would Goro have succeeded or would he have died in there then? Also Ren wouldn’t have known about Shido wanting to get rid of Futaba either. So many things that could have gone wrong already then…
I don't think Goro can get rid of Shido's palace on his own. One of the reasons why Futaba was so pivotal to the arc is because i firmly believe (going from the beloved dante inspiration that the series loves to dance in) that humility is needed to defeat pride, something that Goro, as a character, would definitely struggle with at this point.
Humility to accept help, to accept you're own weaknesses and flaws. I don't think Goro would survive in there on his own and if Ren was arrested in his place, Shido might have had another officer kill him in prison if he doesn't find a way to escape.
MORE FUN and more likely is that if Goro goes missing in Shdo's palace and Ren somehow manages to dodge being arrested by Sae. He'll go to the Phantom Thieves for help and join them for real, if only, because he knows this is more than he can chew, but no matter what, it'd be too late for Goro, it's just a matter of whether it'd be too late for Ren too.
After all, Cog Goro would still be a problem lmao.
https://twitter.com/ore_iuse/status/1777011960070255074
found another fanart of Akiren that gave me ATOTT Ren vibes
Song rec for act I, El Innombrable of Cuarteto de Nos :D
https://youtu.be/dDd-EkT5tuw?si=1iMCt02T2LRiVcWC
ENG Lyrics
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/el-innombrable-unmentionable.html
And this rec is for the vibes :3
https://youtu.be/RK0fLaxOBHI?si=R2EZhUx71T1d-EXG
How do you think picaro personas are born? Will there be any in the fic?
How do you view distortions and how they create palaces? For example, in P5, all the distortions are based on the negative actions/thoughts of the characters. In Ren's case, he would arguably be distorted (murder etc...) however, his palace is gone. Is it because he's been able to accept his true feelings/thoughts/ who he is? Does that mean Kamoshida etc... couldn't accept they were truly that way? I'm curious what you think! It's a multi-layered question that I think about a lot.
Cognitive distortions are a real term in psychology! :3 A definition for example is "A cognitive distortion is an exaggerated or irrational thought pattern involved in the onset or perpetuation of psychopathological states, such as depression and anxiety. Cognitive distortions are thoughts that cause individuals to perceive reality inaccurately"
The key word here is to perceive reality inaccurately It's not about negative thoughts or actions per say but rather involves your entire perception of your reality being warped in a twisted way. You don't have to have a distorted view of reality of your actions and their impact to commit evil deeds. Which is how I'm glad that ultimately in canon, Akechi doesn't have a palace. He doesn't have a warped perception of reality, he's well aware what he's doing is wrong, he doesn't delude himself about the kind of person he is, and his circumstances. He accepts them. Every negative part of himself, his thoughts and his circumstances and he looks it dead in the face.
People like Kamoshida or like Shido, see the world in a particular view point wholly divorced from reality of their circumstances.
In the real world cognitive distortions apply to things like extreme depression and anxiety hence why people like Ren and Futaba can end up with palaces due to extreme levels of depression that cause them to view their reality different.
Especially in the context of the world of persona where people who escape the mementos depths do so to avoid living under society's whim of being controlled and having their lives decided for them. There's an element of 'i want control over my circumstances, and this is how I keep it, via this distorted reality'
They quite literally live in their own bubble. It's fascinating! These feelings are things everyone has and struggles with hence why almost everyone has a shadow in Mementos, but i believe when those feelings become so strong they feed into those "seed of a treasure" that Morgana references when they took the first person's treasure in mementos and when those seeds are sufficiently watered with toxic emotions and distortions they bloom into a palace.
If the sin that defines them grows out of control then I believe that's what spawns palaces. :3 BUT thank you for this question it was great to ramble. I hope I made sense!
But yea, Ren accepted himself by rejecting his sin, his sin of treachery, the sin that he betrayed himself by not being able to help Shiho, and vowed to always follow his heart no matter what it may lead. Hence why he's not distorted despite him being very much still depressed lmao.
im happy to see youre back!!!!
Which p5 character do you think has acid reflux so I can project my suffering on them
I just have to share this but this just come to mind today hahaha
Ren is the femme fatale to noir detective Goro
Futagoro siblings in the middle of a fight
Futaba: pancake boy!
Goro: marshmallow gremlin!
(I find this funny while I'm with fever hehehe)
out of curiosity, what flowers do you associate with the ATOTT murder boys? both individually and together respectively?
do you think Shido and Drake have explored each other's bodies
In your tricksters fic. If the phantom thieves had gotten into Ren's palace, not knowing there was no escape. Would they have even made it to the end or would they have been taken out in one of the rings? Also if goro knew they were in his palace would he have gone in to make sure they didn't mess up Ren more? Love the thought of goro going all that's my bf and only I can mess him up lol
The thieves would have definetely made it out the end :3 i think they have enough collective knowledge in the whole unit to account for a variety of perspectives :3 however, i think you're exactly right :3 Goro would have probably forced them to leave tho :3 he doesn't want Ren changed that way without him asking
Not a question. Just wanted to tell you how much I love your 2 tricksters fic. Also if you have pc p5r, they got a gay joker mod and fem!Joker mod. Gay joker has all but goros romance (still working on it). While fem!joker only has yusuke right now.
So I was thinking about your fic when I was waiting for the bus and this question come to mind, I'm the time line where the thieves change Ren heart what would have happen if gor was able to intercept the thieves before they get to find or defeat arsene (I imagine Makoto would end with a bullet between her eyes maybe... Also arsene made a comment about his prince come to save him haha)
LKASJSLKF well, it would be complicated :3 Goro can't just get rid of the thieves without affecting Shido's plan, even if he could say they died in some random palace, Shido might not be inclined to believe him since they still need the thieves for Okumura (assuming this takes place in September so Futaba's there) :3 SO Goro might appear in his prince outfit and guide the thieves out fdksjhfkjsfjk
https://vxtwitter.com/candle99304/status/1779906936961405325
this art gave me atott Ren vibes so I thought of sharing
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