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Hello! Is there a bsky version of your account?
Hi there! There is not currently a bsky version of this account, and that is simply because I have not had time to put one together yet. Hopefully when things settle down a bit I will be able to make one :)
helloooo, i just want to say thank you for taking the time to create this account. it's a much needed breath of fresh air in the community.
Hiya!! I'm so sorry that it's taken me this long to get back to you! Thank you so much :) I'm so happy to hear that this account is a positive space <333
Hello!! Just found your account and its so cute!! Are you looking for another mod to join? Would love to be a part of this!
Hiya new friend!! I'm so happy that you are loving the account! :) For now I am wanting to remain as the only mod, but you are so sweet to offer!! I really appreciate it <3
can i just dropped by saying i appreciate you, mod?
Yes you can 🥹🥹 And also thank you, you sweet anon 🥺💜
to get interactions of twitter vs ao3: as a reader, interacting on twitter has become so much more difficult i. the past couple of monts…half the time i like tweets, suddenly the likes are gone, trying to qrt gives me errors, and i’ve multiple times had my account locked for “bot-like behaviour” when supporting an author by liking every tweet in a thread. it sucksssss :(
i still read on twitter bc some of my fave authors only post there, but ao3 is a million times better and easier…esp if updating irregularly, because i can actually sort my bookmarks by date updated. also on ao3 i regularly discover old fics as well! but on twitter, unless it gets a massive amount of interactions, old threads will never pop up when i search. i love authors who have twitter so i can support them on a personal/more direct level, but for reading? i would really encourage putting everything on there for those who can/want. for socmed au’s you can even do ao3 formatting by searching “ao3 twitter” or “ao3 workskins” on ao3, there’s so many resources!!
Ah, I can definitely see where you're coming from here. The twitter algorithm has been going pretty haywire lately, and honestly I am in awe of threadfic writers because my system was not built for the wild west that is the former bird app. As a reader, I have also experienced some challenges with keeping up with my favorite twt authors, because of the reasons you mentioned, and it is just so frustrating :(
Since I don't write on twt, I would be interested to hear some threadfic writers' perspectives on this! Especially in terms of socmed aus :) What do you all think? And for those who have tried both, what do you prefer?
Ahhhh something I forgot to mention with tagging! Some people who are new to tagging get worried that they’re spoiling the story. I used to worry like that, too, but over time I’ve realized that even five fics with the same tag will all express that tag differently. The way you handle a tag as an author can and will still give the full emotional effect, even if you technically ‘spoiled’ it. It may be a bit stuck up of me to say this, but trust your writing to carry the full effect of the event that tag describes to the reader, even if they know it’s coming. It will! I’ve had so many times where I knew an event was coming and when the event happened you would have thought it was untagged by my reaction, haha. Tbh as a writer that’s sometimes my favorite part of reading, is looking forward to the tagged item (even if it’s ‘bad’ haha) and freaking out when it gets there.
Casting around for examples and think of it like when your friend says they’re getting dressed up for an event! They might tell you “I’m gonna wear that gold dress with a black jacket” and you might know exactly what they’re talking about, but when you both arrive for the event the way it looks on them (fabulous) is still gonna merit compliments/admiration/gushing. If it’s something you’ve only seen them in a few times and you just /know/ they’ll look amazing, it also creates anticipation! So while tagging things that say a lot about the fic but might be a trigger, just remind yourself that for as many people as there are who will avoid it, there are plenty of weirdos like me (affectionate!) who will nod through the tags, read the summary, and go “oooooh yes. This sounds like a perfect evening” haha. You got this!
I completely agree!! I actually like reading fics over "regular" books particularly /because/ things are tagged! Fanfic readers are used to the system, and in my experience, readers tend to feel much safer when they know that they can trust an author to tag as best they can :)
As a personal example, I am very sensitive to stories with MCD, so even if I am excited to read a story, I will usually wait until I am in the right headspace if I see those tags. I would not be frustrated for that element to be spoiled, because the tag is helping me to make sure I am reading it at a time that I will really enjoy it!
On the flip side, readers sometimes search for specific tags. You may be losing out on readers who want that juicy angst if you are not tagging for it.
Overall, I just really agree with your comment, once again :) Thanks so much for sharing!
As an angst writer, here’s a (non-exhaustive) explanation of how I figure out tagging for triggers:
Like I mentioned in another ask, all of my fics feature the tags “Other Additional Tags to Be Added” and “Additional Warnings in Author’s Note”. I’m an intuitive writer and sometimes fics take sharp turns I didn’t see coming, so it gives me leeway to warn the readers if there’s a shift that could potentially affect the maturity rating/trigger people. Otherwise I usually go off of anything that touches these categories:
Death: animal death, main character death, side character death, themes of death, death of a parent, temporary character death, suicide (these might seem obvious, but they’re really not— sometimes a reader has just lost someone and might pick up the story without thinking, and it could be more triggering than usual, so these are tags I’m a stickler about. I will absolutely spoil whether the death is permanent in my author’s note if I think it’s necessary.)
Mental Health: Panic Attacks, Suicide Attempts, Dissociation, Depression, Anxiety, Specific Disorders like DID or BPD. Eating Disorders and Self-Harm also fall into this category, in my experience. Depending on the prevalence of the themes I’ll also tag for lack of self care, bad self-talk, and self-destructive behaviors like addiction, as they can become sub-themes. These are themes people with mental health issues will also go looking for sometimes but will also need to avoid at other times.
Sex and Sexuality: Kinks, Sex The Act, and potentially acts leading up to sex/generally agreed upon as foreplay like sexual jokes/teasing or a character touching another character in any way with the intent to initiate. (This comes out of my upbringing in a cult mixed with having friends who are sex-repulsed. They’re not necessarily triggering but deserve a fair warning)
Social/Familial Issues: Abuse (Mental/Physical/Sexual/Emotional/Etc.), Discrimination, Overt Themes of Oppression, Rape, Assault, Bullying, Harassment, etc. (As with Mental Health Issues, sometimes people are there for the catharsis of reading these things and others need to avoid them at all costs.)
I also write hurt/comfort, and when I do I usually tag for the levels and types of pain experienced, whether they be emotional, mental, physical, etc. Think scrapes versus broken bones, hurt feelings vs a depressive episode, or a story about school overwhelm versus psychological torture.
This is also where the ‘additional warnings in author’s note’ really comes in handy. Sometimes an issue appears for a single chapter or paragraph and never happens again. When that happens, putting it in the main tags could be misleading (I phrase that this way because some people look for fics on issues, because that kind of hurt-comfort can also be soothing and cathartic for them; if I were to tag something with a mental health issue that only plays a role in one chapter, that could lead to misunderstanding). In cases like that, I add the specific warning to the author’s note box so it appears before they read the chapter. To be extra clear, I mean the one right under the title box, not the smaller one you can choose to include or not include. It’s more visible that way, and I usually add to that by putting the warnings in all caps, if I’m worried about people reading without checking.
Which brings me to an interesting point: when you get more established, you start to get regular readers (you do! I’ve got a few I recognize by profile pic! And I’m ‘small’!), and you may notice patterns in their comments that indicate whether they’re the type to rush headlong into a chapter and all caps are needed. I’ve had regulars scare the crap out of me leaving comments like ‘whoops, didn’t see the warning ;p’ so when I spot them I’ll usually shift the way I type the warnings to make them more visible just in case. Usually all that takes is all-caps… but I’ve also been a huge dramatic in the note to make it longer and harder to accidentally skim. That’s up to you!
This method definitely isn’t a catch-all for triggers; usually you have to build up enough of a rapport with your readers that they’ll tell you if you’ve missed something, and that can be tricky. But I’ve found that usually as long as I cover the bases in these categories, readers know enough to make an informed decision about my writing, and the extra warnings have also helped some of them relax and enjoy the fic more. If tagging your entire fic in one go is overwhelming, try tagging it chapter by chapter through the notes and moving consistent tags to the main tags section as you go, in combo with those two tags I mentioned at the top! It might take some of the stress off because you don’t have to figure it all out at once or know everything that might happen.
Gah, long again! I hope something in this can be helpful for someone <3 I saw mod is starting a new job— good luck! I hope all goes well :3
This is such an amazing resource!! All of your explanations are super, super helpful :)) I will make sure to pass it on to the cafe~
And thank youuu! My new job is going really well <3
Re: a question I saw about tagging
As an author with a lot of ongoing works, two of my absolute favorite tags are “other additional tags to be added” and “additional warnings in author’s note”! It’s less overwhelming to go chapter by chapter and update tags as needed, and this way readers still have an explicit warning that not everything may be covered in the tags. I also generally ask for feedback, but I think like the anon mentioned a lot of readers might feel shy because other requests weren’t responded to, because I don’t usually hear back about it.
Also, something that might overwhelm newer writers (at least on Ao3) is that sometimes you have a tag, and then a ‘mild’ version of the tag and a ‘graphic’ version of the tag. Of course there’s no hard and fast rule, but I think of it this way: if it’s one or two sentences or gives a vague description, it’s probably mild! If the description is straightforward but still polite, and takes up around a paragraph, it’s fine to just tag the item as is with no ‘clarifying’ bit. But if it goes into detail in any way, especially for multiple paragraphs, you’ll definitely want the ‘graphic’ version of the tag.
Let me see if I can come up with a non-triggering example, I’m an angst writer so gotta be careful lol. Hm.
Maybe this:
“It was hot” = ‘mild heat/mentions of heat’
“Character groaned, hissing as their hand brushed the hot leather seats. The heat wave was going on two weeks now, with no signs of cooling down.” = heat
“Waves of hot air rose from the pavement as character wandered down the street. Their sneaker soles had already begun to melt. The sun beat down on their skin, seeping through the layers of would-be sun protection to cook them like their own personal oven. A heat wave, their leaders called it— it felt more like death.” = graphic heat
Not my best work lol but hopefully it helps paint a picture! The divide between a tag and a graphic tag can be tricky to navigate, but most readers know what they can handle, and just putting the tag in there should be enough of a heads-up if you’re not sure; I’ve definitely read fics that were more explicit than I was ready for, and usually the item was tagged skdfjldk I just underestimated the author’s talent for description. Most readers know to back out!
I have more advice re: basic tagging but this is getting long so I’ll write a separate ask. I hope this is helpful! Tagging definitely seems like a big huge stressful thing but over the years I’ve found ways to make it easier on myself while giving readers fair warning about content so I’ll try to pass on what I can, and hopefully something sticks for someone! ;w;
This is such helpful advice! And a really helpful depiction of the different intensity levels when it comes to tagging :)
Thanks for the lovely comment! I'll go ahead and pass it on to the rest of the cafe~
hello mod. i apologize for coming to your retrospring to vent but i had nowhere else to go. i’m a small rare-pair writer and lately i’ve been thinking about giving up on it. i love my rare pair ships (taejoon & 2seok) but when i look at my engagement compared to fellow mutuals, who write for slightly popular ships, i fear i’m overlooked. i do have a regular reader who enjoys my work, but i don’t want to feel like i’m putting all my expectations for them to show up to every fic i write. is it wrong for wanting at least three people openly excited about my rare pairs and my fics? am i asking for too much?
Hi anon! Thank you so much for your patience as I slowly work through my restrospring messages <3
I think it's natural, as writers, for us to want engagement. And I can completely understand the challenges of writing for less popular groupings. It's amazing that you have a regular reader, and I am sure that they are happy to have found a writer who specializes in these rarer pairings! But there's nothing wrong with hoping for more readers to find your stories and enjoy them.
At the end of the day, I think it primarily comes down to what your priorities and goals are. If you would like to work towards more engagement, it could be a good idea to try broadening your horizons by trying out new pairings or new tropes. But if you primarily enjoy writing for your current pairings, there's nothing wrong with continuing to write stories for yourself and your regular reader in the hopes that more and more people will find you :)
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that your feelings are valid, and whatever choice you make will also be valid. I hope that you find the answer that works best for you!
hi mod 💜. thank you for creating a space like this for writers. it means a lot to us to be able to speak about our feelings, good and bad, about the writing process and to engage with fellow writers on our projects. sometimes writing feels lonely and you start to miss community, but this feels like the start of one forming.
Hi anon 🥰 It makes me really happy to hear that this space is a friendly one where people feel comfortable. I love seeing everyone getting to know each other and beginning to build a little community here :) Thanks for being here and supporting 💜
[[[I think that as a community, the distinction between a "big" writer and a "small" writer might be more hazy than we realize. There are writers out there who I would consider to be "big," who still think of themselves as very small. And if the me from a year ago could see the me of right now, I would think of myself as being a "big" writer, even though I currently consider myself to be quite small.]]]
THIS!!! I've been writing in the BTS fandom for more than five years now, and there was once I met a moot in real life and they told me I was famous. Which really made me think, because while I'm doing pretty okay and definitely get more engagement than when I first started, I'm also one who's hardly on those top lists. I have fics that get barely any kudos/comments/engagement, and I have fics that are more well-liked. or at least were more well-liked once upon a time...
Numbers shouldn't matter and yet I patiently count and check for comments every time I post something. It took me very long to be okay with the fact that not everyone or every fic is going to be a fandom top #1-10.
even now I still get into bleak moods about my writing and engagement. we as writers/creators write or draw for free, because we have stories we want to tell, creativity we wish to unleash! we also shouldn't be too hard on ourselves for feeling down when the engagement (mayhaps one of the more tangible forms of "reward") isn't what we hoped for. it's valid!
hope this wasn't all over the place!
anons - you're NOT alone!
and readers/followers - share/ rave/ comment/ RT when you enjoy something! a small act of RTing/keyboard smashing is all may it take to make someone's day!
I totally agree!! Everything is on a sliding scale. There are times when it's easy to brush things off, and times when a lack of engagement becomes super frustrating or discouraging. But I think that's why it's good to be able to talk about it! That way everyone can know that they aren't alone :)
Hey! I would like to ask a question to all the writer out there using this. I hope It's okay with you.
I want to know why do some of you writers get offended/defensive whenever one of your reader ask you about a update? It’s not like they are pressuring you, they are just asking a simple question. What's so wrong in it?
Instead of getting upset shouldn’t you be happy that someone out there is reading your fic and waiting patiently for your next update? Shouldn’t that motivate you? Make you feel better? Why do some of you always reply so passive aggressively?
Honestly as someone who read a lot, getting such a passive aggressive response from your favourite author is heartbreaking. It’s one of the reason author nowadays doesn’t get much comment on their fic. Readers are afraid that they will offend the writer by wanting a update for a next chapter or showing their excitement about it. I usually doesn’t ask for an update because of this one single reason. Sometimes it gets month before the author update and i think readers should be allowed to ask this simple question without feeling guilty.
I Once asked a author when were they going to update the next chapter since it was over three-four months since their last update. They replied so passive aggressively, talking and complaining about how writers also have a life and blah blah blah and i shouldn’t make them feel more guilty than they already were feeling for not updating. I swear i almost cried that day and never read that fic ever Again. It really hurts when your favourite author Behave like a shit to you.
After that i stopped interacting with my favourite authors, i am afraid i will offend some of them or they will behave rudely with me i only response when they upload a new chapter.
Please please be kind to your readers while answering this singular question. You can reply with simple 'i am working hard on it for you all' 'life has been a bit rough so i am taking some time off' 'thank you for loving the story, i am not sure when can i update next since i am currently busy in my real life.'
You can be kind respectful and still show your point. No need to get so offended or passive aggressive.
At last please be kind to your readers if you want them to be kind to you.
Thank you.
Hi there anon!
I am sorry to hear that you’ve had bad experiences in the past that led you to feeling confused and cut-off from your favorite writers. I can understand how, if you are not a writer, maybe it would be a bit confusing as to why a writer might respond badly to being asked such a question. I hope that I can help to explain and maybe clarify why many writers grow frustrated when they are asked questions like this.
To start off with, I completely understand that, as a reader, your intention is probably not to cause pressure to the authors. As you mentioned, oftentimes these types of questions come out of a place of genuine interest in the story, and therefore a reader’s intentions are good. So if readers mean well, then why do writers respond so negatively?
Well, let’s think about it from a writer’s perspective. No writer starts a story without wanting to finish it. As precious as our stories are to our readers, they are even more precious to us. Oftentimes, writers want nothing more than to be able to tell our stories from beginning to end and to share them with our readers as quickly as we can!
So if a writer is not updating, what are the reasons why that might be? A writer might be going through something external, such as a big life event (having a baby, switching jobs, a death in the family, etc.) and not have time to write. Or maybe they are struggling with something internal, such as running low on motivation or inspiration, making them unable to write their story.
In the case of both options, the reason an author is not updating is almost always 1) out of their control and 2) quite stressful. If a writer is in a position where all they want to do is write, and yet they are unable to, they are probably already putting a lot of pressure and shame on themselves to get things done. Especially if they know that they have an audience that is excited for updates.
So, with that in mind, if you think about a writer who is already stressed and feeling pressure to get an update out – how do you think they would feel to see a reader commenting, “When is the next update?” Even if the question is asked with good intentions, as a writer, we often feel terrible or like a failure that we are unable to give as much as we want to our stories and our readers. Even if the question is not intended to be pressuring, it is pressuring.
This is where we come to a difference in intentions vs actual effects. Sometimes well-meaning things can still be hurtful. That’s why it’s so important to take each other’s thoughts and viewpoints into account.
I’m sorry that you had a bad experience, but I also do not think that the answer is so simple as, “Writers should just be grateful to get questions like this.” At the end of the day, fic writers are putting in lots of time and effort to make art for free. I understand that many readers mean well by asking questions like these, but the truth is that, as a writer, these questions almost always come across as stressful and even entitled at times.
Interactions between readers and writers are a two-way street, and there are other things that a reader could say to communicate that they are excited about the story as well. We are all just people doing our best. We can all work hard to be as gracious as we can with each other. :)
I hope that this explanation could be helpful! At the end of the day, writers and readers live in a symbiotic relationship, so I think that keeping up communication between us is very important <3 Thanks for bringing your thoughts to the café!
I want to share with all the writers this account: @justcommentfest on Twitter. They're organizing the Summer event from July 22 to 28 inviting people to always leave a comment on your favorite fics. They're fandom friendly (not BTS exclusive) yet I hope more writers and readers could participate in this event. I'm totally going to!! xD So, keep a tally with your comments, and at the end of the week, answer their google form and we'll see how many comments could we make in the event!! XD
Oooh! Sounds like fun! I'll pass this along to everyone in the cafe :)
Hey!! I hope you are having a good day/night.
I would really like to know how do we determine who is a small writer and who is a big writer? Is it based on their tweet engagement?kudos?comment? Exactly how?
Hellooo! I am having a pretty lovely night :) Thank you for asking!
For your question: I think that everyone determines it differently. Some might see a writer with lots of followers but low engagement and consider them a big writer, or someone might see a writer with one very popular story but few followers and consider them a big writer. When it comes to hits, comments, kudos, and tweet engagements, I think that everyone looks at different things. Let's see what everyone in the cafe thinks!
Hi mod, I have a question for readers and writers.
I'm tired of Twitter. Most of my works are social media au, but I'm having a lot of problem getting interactions from real humans and no bots.
I'm thinking of deleting my account and stay on AO3 only, but how can I continue engaging with readers?
Has anyone thought about leaving Twitter but their own stories are tying them to the app?
Hmmm I could definitely see this as being a challenge. I do not write soc med aus, and I have not tried boosting my stories on any other apps, so I am not sure that I will be of much help answering this question. However! I will open this question up to the community so that we can see what everyone else thinks~ :)
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