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My name is Julia, but call me Jubs. I'm a humble peasant girl lost around here.
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Do you think Freya will be able to become Iske's wife after the main plot of the original story ends? In my opinion, she still failed to become Iske's wife despite having an easier path compared to her counterpart in the current timeline.
Honestly I think he would stay single for the rest of his life. He only married Ruby so that Ellen wouldn't have to marry Enzo. I believe that even the original Ruby acting like that, he still liked her and would not have married anyone else after her death. And Freya is a delulu in the whole universe. She would only have gossip in her favor
do you have your personal headcanons about what sodom and the holy grail contained? i heard it wasnt really real and ruby made it up in her head since she forgot she was og ruby, but im genuinely curious about what it would've been like if it was an actual novel ! (i also heard the epilogue was freya centric?)
I believe in the theory that it wasn't real. To me it's practically true that there was no written story that Ruby read in Korea, but rather that it was the exact same case as Athanasia. But this has never been confirmed 😭😭😭 although I consider the scenes of dreams with the original ruby that ruby has as indirect evidence. But if I were to think of a real written story I would say it was written in third person and that's why there was all that confusion about Freya getting together with Iske in the end. Because that was kind of the conclusion That the people of Arendelle took.
freyellen friendship im so devastated ,,, honestly wouldve loved seeing some moments of the omertas and the knights b4 ruby arrived (and freya grr we couldve had more in the novel..)
I really like it when they show a little bit of their lives before Ruby because it shows that they are people with friends, interests, jobs and had a life before, you know? I would have liked to have seen more of Ellen and Freya because although I think Freya is selfish, I also think she is genuinely friendly with Ellen and likes her.
do you think that compared to the novel, there's a possibility she actually has/had feelings for iske in the manhwa adaptation?
I had this fear at some moments, but I came to the conclusion that she doesn't have it. It's true that in the novel Freya's points of view are much more exposed, but I really believe that she remains in love with the idea of the future she imagined for herself, not with Iske, even in the adaptation. She loves the idea of being a queen, or the idea of being a duchess, or even the idea of conquering the unconquerable guy. I actually like her better this way. Someone who is driven by her own goals/illusory dreams, not simply by love or obsession with a man.
I really love reading your htwmho posts & analysis,so i was curious of how you view Freya like her actions towards ruby and how she was in chapter 107 .
I've talked about Freya a few times and my opinion of her has changed little, because I continue to see her as someone who is stuck in her own head and worldview. To me, she is someone who is self-centered and selfish and cares too much about herself, above the people she loves. I don't think she is completely narcissistic, because at times we see that she really cares about her brother and Ellen, but she puts herself above others and doesn't think about what her actions and plans can cause to others, emotionally or physically. To me, she has difficulty putting herself in other people's shoes and looking at them empathetically because the world is on her own ruler. Even when confronted or exposed to a situation in which she is clearly wrong, her head will invent an excuse to continue being superior in the situation, because she doesn't want to admit her bad judgment. When I eat, in the novel, she confronts Ruby saying that she wanted to suffer because she didn't stand up for herself. Saying that someone who suffers all that and doesn't say anything actually likes to be seen as a poor thing. All this after having seen that whole mirror scene, because she wants to convince herself that she is not a bad person, that what should be hers is being stolen, and because she did not get what she wants, therefore, the rest is bad. She had the audacity to say that she has self-love to justify not going after Ruby and Ellen in chapter 107, as if insinuating that Ruby does not have that and that is why she suffered in silence, besides using it as an excuse to run away, even saying out there that she loves Iske. The look in her eyes seeing the two of them is the look of someone who realizes that the things she invented in her own head were not true, and she hates that. I believe that, little by little, Freya - mine - is on the path that will lead to her end as a nun. We can see her at times with that look that she is realizing that she is wrong, but she suppresses it due to her own egocentric thoughts that do not let her accept it. Unlike what some people say, I do not see her as a victim of the family or anything like that. For me, she is a victim of her own mind. A perfect example of self-sabotage and, contrary to what she says, someone without self-love and tries to deceive herself with the exact opposite, who desperately tries to place herself as the center of the world in every situation because for her it is unacceptable in the scenario in which she is not the main and the correct one. I hate her actions, the way she thinks, and if I existed in the world in which she exists, I would definitely beat her up in that bitch. But the way her character is built is one of the best for me, because she is so bitter and so insecure at the same time that she is so self-centered and narcissistic that I think she is a very well-made character because she is very human.
Glad you're back! So, I'm just here to give my opinion on Freya and Enzo ship (please don't attack me 🙏). Honestly, I don't like this ship at all and I don't feel a spark when I read a scene containing them (they barely have any scenes together). So I don't think the reason Freya became a nun was not just because Enzo, the one she "loved", died in front of her. I think Enzo's death was just the trigger for her to realize what a shitty person she was and how similar she was to Cezar. And all I can say to people who always claim that Freya and Enzo are in love with each other is that Freya and Enzo are NOT in love with each other. Enzo was a known womanizer and flirted with women he found attractive, and Freya herself admitted that she was simply attracted to Enzo and enjoyed his company. There is no love between them, only attraction. Besides, Freya and Enzo have only known each other for a few days. I also think they are not the type to fall in love at first sight.
I GOT SCARED BECAUSE I READ "LORENZO" INSTEAD OF ENZO OMG. God save me from these similar names- But I agree with you, anon. Enzo was a womanizer! What he felt for Freya was merely attraction. She is beautiful, he was too, and that was it. Two beautiful people who attracted each other. They merely knew each other and had no emotional connection beyond that initial superficial crush stage. Especially because Enzo wouldn't even like Freya if he knew how mean she was to Ruby and Freya would probably lose interest if he defended his sister- I like Freya's character as an antagonist because I like selfish, self-centered characters in the sense that it's cool to see how absurd their views are. But even though I liked it, I found Freya's ending extremely rushed and, honestly, they used Enzo as just a trigger. It would have been MUCH MORE impactful to her if it had been someone she actually cared about who had died there, like her brother or father. But Enzo served because Freya wasn't even involved in that final poison plan anyway. She saw him die in front of her while flirting with him and possibly this made her realize that if she continued to act using people like Cezar used the queen and Enzo, it would be her loved ones who died. And maybe the trigger of simply seeing a death, for that matter, was enough. Freya had already shown signs of internal questioning since the fight with Ruby in the greenhouse, but it would be nice to have something more significant that made her change her key. Ultimately, I'm still mourning Enzo and I don't hate Freya the nun, although it would have been better to have seen the path to it in more detail and regret.
u dunno me just wanted to say i hope u r having a smooth time at work and a good time in life , i hope ur doing well jubs!
I PRAYED FOR DAYS LIKE THESE (welcome back jubs!!)
Can you explain why everyone around Iske misunderstood that Freya was his special someone? Even novel!Ellen misunderstood that he somehow cares about Freya due to the poisoning incident when Iske immediately took Freya away from Ruby.
I think everything can be explained by Iske's speech to Ellen about him only putting up with Freya because she's his sister's friend. This leads me to the conclusion that he never even allowed other women to bother him, and because Freya was the only one he didn't actively push away, the rumors were born.
I find it funny and sad for Freya that regardless of whether Ruby was in her way or not, she still would not have been able to become Iske's wife. Iske was very determined in his decision not to marry, fearing that he would end up like his father, and he only married for Ellen's sake (though he later fell in love with his wife). Also, if he becomes King in the North, I think he will become a king without a wife, so his heir will likely be either his cousin (although this may not be possible due to her mother's background) or Ellen's future child. So, Freya's schemes will always be pointless, regardless of whether it was carried out successfully or not. Basically, she just wasted her time. So every time Freya does something that gets on my nerves in the manhwa, I always remember that she is always doomed to fail.
Exactly! She got caught up in her own illusions and was very delulu from the beginning. She always wanted to be queen and deduced that the way was through Iske, and she focused so much on the goal that she didn't realize that it was useless. I think her problem has always been that she is too self-confident. You know, people who believe in themselves TOO MUCH are the ones who get disappointed the most because they don't see realistically
what do you think abt izek and his friends from the knights? wanted more moments between them, tbh.
I LOVE the little interactions between Iske and the paladins and would love to see more scenes between them. While I absolutely love that he's a loving and devoted husband, it would be cool to see him play around with his friends. That's why I like the scene of him and Ivan in bed in the side stories
idk maybe its just me but i feel like freya could've had more potential
I think they should work on her point of view better and avoid the misunderstandings that make her seem like a girl who wants Iske's love- Like, Freya is bad as a person because she's selfish and self-centered, a little narcissistic and all, but her motives are not the man. The man is just the means to her end, and that's what I think is cool
hcs abt ellen and izek as kids....pls i want to know more about them (u can also include ones abt the duke and duchess if u want <33)
RIGHT! We don't see Iske as an overprotective brother, right? (I mean, compared to the other brothers in the manwha, even though he agreed to get married so Ellen wouldn't have to do it). I think he admires Ellen a lot and sees her as a very strong person, and so he doesn't have to worry about her, because when she was a child she always seemed fine, and probably supported the family as a link after they mother died. And for me, mini Ellen always wanted to be like Iske
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