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How do I stop feeling bad reading this type of post/quotes/replys? /genq
I know you dont have answers for everything I just want to know what you think! Also, sorry but could you please not share this one in ypir account? Because is such a stupid question
Im just a little feed up with all of this I wish I would stop liking bl or whatever Its feel a little humilliating
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Honestly all you can do is ignore it and remind yourself that people online are stupid and mean for no reason about things that don't affect them. Block and mute very liberally because you will be so much happier if you do. I know it's easier said than done but eventually if you tell yourself enough that it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks and then follow through with that by blocking people, you will start to feel better and the discourse will start to feel silly and inconsequential to you. I've had anti-fujos in my retrospring since like March/April calling me a fetishizer/pedophile/misogynist and I still get those types of messages but I've started to just delete them because it was really getting to me for a bit and I feel much better when I disengage with it all.
ok weird question
reading the other anon
Do u think that yuri being femxfem is heteronormative?
Random question 2
Are you mostly a fanfic or a manga person?
genuinely curious abt what bigoted themes yuri have, cuz i know u dont mind age gap or incest n that type of content i know the racism but aside from i cant think of other
this a friendly question, i dont want to question u or smt btw
also its the first ive seen someone say that so what u consider heteronormative in yuri ?? sowwy to yap this much lmao
Bigotry as in racism and transmisogyny. About heteronormativity in yuri, as I said it depends on the author's intent + I don't see how yuri could be totally immune from heteronormativity if yaoi can be heteronormative? I think anything people consider heteronormative in yaoi can be heteronormative in yuri too and it's hypocritical to say otherwise. Like I think the whole "it's two girls so it can't be" is a stupid argument because two men isn't inherently heteronormative but the content is what makes it heteronormative or not. This is an example from an f/f fic on ao3, not from yuri manga but I think fic counts for arguments like this-- it was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen (I didn't read it lol I clicked off after being jumpscared by all the bullshit in it) I'm so serious it demonized butches and it was misogynistic among a billion other things omfg but anyway it was about a butch abusing their femme and the fic opened up with the butch being with a group of friends talking about women the way men talk about women like straight up disgusting misogyny it made me nauseous. So that's what I mean when I say f/f content can also be heteronormative.
Random question 1
Have you had a argument with an oomf in law where your oomf agrees with them without stopping being mutuals?
thx u!!
my question was cuz as a butch said himself the whole identity is abt repacking male masculinity so it got me thinking abt the yaoi heteronormativity discussion n how even if the artists seek to replicate straight dynamics they are still two men n that would also count or smt
also if you dont mind more yapping do this mean that het manga is heteronormative by default? also u think there is heteronormative dynamics in yuri?
Yes I do think there can be heteronormative dynamics in yuri depending on the intent of the artist/writer as it'd be hypocritical of me to think otherwise considering my stance on yaoi. Also, slightly off topic but, a lot of people on yuritwt seem to consider yuri to be this inherently clean and nonproblematic genre purely because of the fact that it's about women, but as a yuri enjoyer I think it's important to acknowledge and speak up about the genuinely bigoted themes in A LOT of yuri media 🤷♀️ it's definitely not free from criticism at all.
On the het manga-- I don't think I'd consider it inherently heteronormative because cis gnc people are NOT considered the norm in general society either... but I don't know enough about the content of the manga to give a definitive answer.
sorry to yap "discourse" like that but i wonder if u think femme butch etc is kinda heteronormative just by the same logic uke and seme are
im just curious abt this as a lesbo cuz the reason why yaoi is heteronormative is cuz ukes have female characteristics but in a man meanwhile semes have male ones n in the conversation as to why butchfemme is not heteronormative is cuz a woman is not expected to be masc n women arent expected to date each other so i thought it was interesting n want to know what u think
I don't think butchfemme is heteronormative at all. To be honest, the biggest reason I think seme/uke dynamics can technically be described as heteronormative is specifically because it's fictional and because yaoi artists/writers are specifically modeling the seme/uke dynamic after straight relationships. Calling real life queer people's relationship dynamics heteronormative (including gay men's but SPECIFICALLY butchfemme, considering how butchfemme relationships were also for safety reasons in the past) is highkey queerphobic like I would never ever call a queer person irl heteronormative.
I didn't see people talking about trans women either, only comments saying "but hc him as a trans woman"
I understand bloomfilters point, but I think it's a little forgotten in these discussions how a broader society views these types of stories. The sad truth is that these stories are not trying to portray trans or nb people and it's also true that denial can fall into transphobia, but for a cishet reader this story does play with gender norms. It's similar to Ranma
I'm having a bit of trouble getting my point across in this reply as I am a cis man hater, a yuri lover, and an anticensorship believer + I am not transfem so I don't want to overstep and say something disrespectful considering this has now been turned into a discussion that concerns trans women and my opinion is far less important in that. Because of that, all I'm going to say on this topic is that-- I also get her point and I think my tweet WAS reductive in the way that I didn't think too deeply into what I was saying (I wasn't trying to engage in discourse, honest 😭 I saw the og tweet and absentmindedly commented on it without looking at any other discussion about it and that was that) and it came across as ignorant because of that. However, I think all stories of all experiences have merit and should be allowed to exist as long as they're handled correctly-- and for the record I have not read the manga, I only know of it and the concept so I don't know how the manga portrays the lolita boy (ALSO I don't consider the manga to be a queer story despite them being gnc because it is still a cishet relationship, I just need to make that clear.) And saying as a yuri reader, it's just true that ultra fem girl x masculine girl has been done countless times before (for example, I rarely see butch4butch yuri though I will take recs if anyone has any) and I don't think that that's enforcing gender norms obviously considering I'm a femme lesbian with a love of butches and butchfemme relationships are definitely not "gender conforming..." but I've never seen a het manga with the premise of both characters being gnc and I think that's nice and I like the idea of a boy in lolita.
I get ur point b also
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okay sorry, I'm sure this is a weird question but like... do you have any idea about how to stop liking yaoi/BL? or m/m pairings in general? the discourse gets tiring and I'm also tired of being drawn to it. like not just problematic stuff (though honestly if you knew anything about how to stop liking that, that'd be great too. but that's not specific to BL for me. that's an issue of mine regardless of gendered pairing) - l wanna stop liking it in general. especially nsfw, but literally. just in general. entirely. I don't mean this to be like... rude or anything. I know people are weird to you about it, and I don't wanna do that. esp since you've made it clear you prefer yuri. which is cool too obv. I just freak out about this stuff and I feel like a gross, shameful freak and I wanna fix it. like I've been avoiding BL anyway, I don't read it that much, but it's still appealing to me despite all the discourse which is frustrating. do I just drown myself in like... run of the mill het novels or something? to train myself out of it? do I pavlov myself with a negative response/punishment every time I think about it? like it's upsetting too bc I've been questioning my gender and fearing it's all just because I'm a freak who can't accept that I'm prob just a cishet woman or something. like I'll get envious of men (not specifically gay men... just... men) and I know it's all probably just wishful thinking and I'd probably just regret transitioning, even if I am super envious of physical things (like voices) for no discernable fuckin reason?? I just want it all to stop so I can be normal and stop thinking about it. so like... yeah, any tips would be appreciated ;w;
Opening this felt like a flashbang anon I can't lie to you 😭😭 but on a serious note I think it'd be unhealthy to force yourself to stop liking what you like... you aren't shameful or gross or a freak and the whole pavlov/punishing thing lowkey sounds like it'd be emotional self harm so I would not recommend that at all. You are clearly dysphoric and the online environment surrounding BL is doing you more harm than good both for your gender identity and your general state of mind because it's clear you've been ruminating a lot. My only advice is to like what you like and try to block out the toxicity of twitter by muting words/blocking people, maybe finding new social circles that make you feel comfortable with yourself. If you really do just want to shed your enjoyment of BL then I guess just stop interacting with it but again I feel like you're letting your anxiety control you right now. (Also about the yuri thing-- yeah I like yuri more but lowkey I lied about not really liking BL to get whoever was bothering me off my back LMFAO I am still a rotten girl at heart)
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